Little bastards

[Torrent]

Well for a while now we've had a group of kids harassing us in our own home, well it's one kid in particular who's about 13 that keeps on causing all the trouble.

It started with the little gob shite coming into our front garden, opening our front door and slamming it but now it's escalated to him just running up and booting our front door. This little bastard has already threatened to punch my old dear in the face and has also threatened my old man, I've chased him a few times but he's always halfway up the road before I even get out the door.

My rents have called the police out a few times but as you can imagine the kid is long gone by the time they get here.

What I would like to know is, if I do actually catch the shite am I allowed to detain him untill the police arrive?

Obviously if he was a bit older I'd teach him a different lesson but with him being so young it'd be me getting done as opposed to him.

[DIONYSUS]

Well for a while now we've had a group of kids harassing us in our own home, well it's one kid in particular who's about 13 that keeps on causing all the trouble.

It started with the little gob shite coming into our front garden, opening our front door and slamming it but now it's escalated to him just running up and booting our front door. This little bastard has already threatened to punch my old dear in the face and has also threatened my old man, I've chased him a few times but he's always halfway up the road before I even get out the door.

My rents have called the police out a few times but as you can imagine the kid is long gone by the time they get here.

What I would like to know is, if I do actually catch the shite am I allowed to detain him untill the police arrive?

Obviously if he was a bit older I'd teach him a different lesson but with him being so young it'd be me getting done as opposed to him. yeah citizens arrest. not sure about the ins and outs of restraining him tho and whats allowed and what isnt.
how old is he? do you know where he lives? maybe try and talk to his parents although they may be just as bad or worse than him.:you_crazy

[DJCliffy]

Put a balaclava on and smash him up. A good old-fashioned kicking would put a stop to it.

[Torrent]

I'm not certain of his age but I'd say he's around the age of 13, I know he lives in my area but unfortunately I don't know where exactly otherwise like you say I would go and have a word with his parents.

Hmmmm, only reason I ask is cos I heard of a bloke detaing some kid that was causing trouble but ended up getting done by the police for doing so. Although I think he actually put them in his car and drove them to the police station or summat, I'm sure though.

[Torrent]

Put a balaclava on and smash him up. A good old-fashioned kicking would put a stop to it.


Trust me I've thought about, in moments of rage I've even thougt about sitting up in my top window with an air riffle but I don't think it's such a good idea.

[DJCliffy]

Trust me I've thought about, in moments of rage I've even thougt about sitting up in my top window with an air riffle but I don't think it's such a good idea.

That wouldn't be a good idea cos it can be traced back to you. If it gets worse then consider getting yourself an air tight alibi then smash him up. Sometimes people need a kicking, Straightens em out.

[MrAHC]

twat the wee cunt, make sure its on your property though.

[DIONYSUS]

I'm not certain of his age but I'd say he's around the age of 13, I know he lives in my area but unfortunately I don't know where exactly otherwise like you say I would go and have a word with his parents.

Hmmmm, only reason I ask is cos I heard of a bloke detaing some kid that was causing trouble but ended up getting done by the police for doing so. Although I think he actually put them in his car and drove them to the police station or summat, I'm sure though.

yeah thats probably false imprisonment/kidnapping. i reckon one of the other mods will be able to help you on the legal implications. Alternativly you could ring up your local nick and ask them, im sure they would be happy to tell you what you can and cant do. Also that call would be recorded so if the kid did try and get you in trouble when it happened you'd at least have that call as evidence that you had asked them about what you should do...

[Torrent]

Alternativly you could ring up your local nick and ask them, im sure they would be happy to tell you what you can and cant do. Also that call would be recorded so if the kid did try and get you in trouble when it happened you'd at least have that call as evidence that you had asked them about what you should do...


Yeah I think I might try giving the local nick a bell on monday to see what the score is with detaing him, cheers for the advice.

[DIONYSUS]

twat the wee cunt, make sure its on your property though.
Thats a good option as well tbh. just make sure you've got a witness to say he saw the kid throw the first punch then you've acted in self defence and you can go to town on him!:get_you::ar15: with in reason:wink: :you_smart

[MisterDuck]

Obviously if he was a bit older I'd teach him a different lesson but with him being so young it'd be me getting done as opposed to him.

It doesn't matter about the law, you don't fucking wack a 13 year-old regardless.

I'd be careful about detaining him, get CCTV cameras up if you are that bothered - not as expensive as you think if you google cheap surveillance. To be honest if you do catch him talk to the kid, find out why and his mentality, he's only 13 better than plantin a kid one innit.

[MisterDuck]

Put a balaclava on and smash him up. A good old-fashioned kicking would put a stop to it.

13....?

[DaftFader]

twat the wee cunt, make sure its on your property though.yeah drag the lil cunt into your garden .. knock him out .. put his arm through the window .. go inside ... break it with a fair few slams of the frame ... then claim he tryed to break in :wink: ....

[DJCliffy]

13....?

At 13 that kid has only two options. Either carry on being a little cunt and then progressing into an actual cunt or getting a kicking, realising that maybe he shouldn't be a cunt anymore and it might set him straight. Not saying it's the way to go but being a limp wristed liberal with the little fuckers doesn't work anymore.

[DaftFader]

At 13 that kid has only two options. Either carry on being a little cunt and then progressing into an actual cunt or getting a kicking, realising that maybe he shouldn't be a cunt anymore and it might set him straight. Not saying it's the way to go but being a limp wristed liberal with the little fuckers doesn't work anymore.phone me on my mobile m8 i'm bored and in needing of some lovin :laugh_at:

[spark]

if you live in a two story house wait upstairs with a huge bucket of COLD water... drench him... or even better a hose...
be really careful about detaining as he will probably have you up for assult.

and keep ringing the police EVERY time it happens so its on recors.. keep a record of the times and dates as well....

it shits me that kids can get away with everything... whats worse is that they know their "rights".

[MrAHC]

if you live in a two story house wait upstairs with a huge bucket of COLD water... drench him... or even better a hose...
get a feck load of dried grated chillies in it to.:wink:

[lilmstrixta]

have you got a camera just wait at the window and see if you can snap a pic of him thats how we got rid of ours they kept breakin our neighbours fence, and climbing on top of the garages and the roof at the front of our flat. you should also keep a note of all the times and dates he has done it.

I think you are allowed to detain him just dont hit him or drag him in your house.

[DIONYSUS]

At 13 that kid has only two options. Either carry on being a little cunt and then progressing into an actual cunt or getting a kicking, realising that maybe he shouldn't be a cunt anymore and it might set him straight. Not saying it's the way to go but being a limp wristed liberal with the little fuckers doesn't work anymore. im with you on this one.

Beware his parents/family though as they may be a lot worse than him. You dont want a fuck load of baseball bat wielding psychos round your house cause you gave the son a kicking.

I recently has some issues with my neighbour. And although i havent got the best relationship with the coppers i had to give em a call as my g/f was getting harrassed. As the women next door is a 40yr old bag i couldnt really resolve the conflict with threats/violence (as she is a woman and violence rarely sorts anything out anyway), probably a good thing TBH as it may have resulted in me getting done.

My advice is keep ringing the coppers everytime it happens they will eventually have to do something as it will reflect on their crime stats.

good luck.

[DJCliffy]

im with you on this one.
Beware his parents/family though as they may be a lot worse than him. You dont want a fuck load of baseball bat wielding psychos round your house cause you gave the son a kicking.

If matey were to smash that kid up then use of a balaclava is advisable. It's more frightening and that way he won't know who done it and everyone is a suspect. He'll realise that someone he offended beat him but won't know who. That should put him straight!

[DaftFader]

get a feck load of dried grated chillies in it to.:wink:and a poo :yakk: ... get you one of those noise thing they have on shops that deters street rats ...(lil anoying kids that hang about muging old women)

[DIONYSUS]

and a poo :yakk: ... get you one of those noise thing they have on shops that deters street rats ...(lil anoying kids that hang about muging old women)
yeah get one of these fuckers...

http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html

[DaftFader]

yeah get one of these fuckers...

http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.htmlmosscito .. thats the one :wink:

[MisterDuck]

my little brothers 13 and luckily he's not a cunt, but for examples sake if was bein a dick to an adult and they kicked him in, i'd tell him he shouldnt have done it but also (without tellin him so he learns summat) i'd have strong words with the adult in question.

[DIONYSUS]

my little brothers 13 and luckily he's not a cunt, but for examples sake if was bein a dick to an adult and they kicked him in, i'd tell him he shouldnt have done it but also (without tellin him so he learns summat) i'd have strong words with the adult in question. i see what your saying, but what about the 13yr olds that beat and stoned that old guy when he was playing cricket with his son, i cant remember the exact story. Or the 13yr olds that rob grannies/happy slap/mug you/stab people or break into peoples houses ( i know its not all 13yr olds btw). Obviously in an ideal world you'd sit them down and give them some counciling to see why they are being such horrible little shits. But IMO id have kicked fuck out of those kids that stoned that poor guy to death. I know two wrongs dont make a right and meeting violence with violence usually only escalates the problem, but i do think some people need to be taught a lesson that they cant just run about doing what the fuck they like.

Obviously if someone beat seven shades out of your bro your gonna be pissed off, but is it cause he is young or is it cause he's your bro. If my younger brother was being a little prick and got a slap and i knew it was becasue my bro was being a cock i wouldnt really have an issue with it personally.

There is obviously a difference between giving someone a couple of digs to show them your not a soft touch to totally going psycho with a bat tho. Sounds like the kid in question needs a hefty clout round the ear or a bucket of piss thrown over him!

[DaftFader]

my little brothers 13 and luckily he's not a cunt

the mosscito isn't predudist :hopeless:

[globalloon]

it sounds to me like there's a whole load of machismo shite being spoken here :you_crazy

apart from the fact that all the evidence from sociological & psychological studies as well as experiences in the penal system show that brutalising people makes the problem worse

children (and he is a child) respond well to clear, fair boundaries. when they don't get that (particularly at home), they get messed up.

unless he is clinically psychopathic there's no reason he wouldn't respond to normal communication or a positive intervention

I don't know why he's chosen to kick your door, so just a few tips

if you hit him, you are likely to end up with a serious criminal charge and a lifelong record on the child offenders register. if you attempt a 'citizen arrest', be aware that you can only do so in self defence. self defence can also include a reasonable fear that the person you are arresting is going to inflict serious physical harm on someone else immediately unless you intervene. unless you are trained in restraining techniques specific to children, anything you do in a struggle has an increased chance of causing a grevious injury (i.e fracturing a bone) compared to an adult

if him kicking your door and giving your parents verbal is genuinely causing distress (and it sounds like it is) you should; keep a diary of every incident; ask neighbours if they have witnessed any incidents and if so, ask them to write down what they saw (just sticking to the facts, leave out any opinions about the kid); and keep ringing the police... dialling 999 because a kid kicked your door is unlikely to get any response, so call your local police call centre, find out who is your local beat and get them round to explain what has been happening, show them your diary of dates, any witnesses etc. chances are he's "known" to local cops already, he may already have a youth crime prevention worker assigned to him. these trained professionals are far better to deal with him than you

taking matters into your own hands will just escalate the situation and place you a long way on the wrong side of the law.

basically, smacking anyone is the sure sign of a throwback, no matter how how wound up you get. take a deep breath. he's just a fucked up little kid. don't make matters a whole shade worse for yourself by acting on adrenalin. use your head

good luck and let us know how it goes :group_hug

[DJCliffy]

Yeah reading what Globalloon has written is probably the best course of action. :bounce_fl

Maybe the kids trying to get into the ASBO club?! :crazy_diz

[JonnyQuest]

get out the winter clothes then kick his head in, nothing to bad, jsut so he learns

better yet, kick his parents heads in so they learn

[MisterDuck]

fucking spot on glo.

[JonnyQuest]

i wholeheartedly disagree nwith you glo, your plan is nice inall if the plan was to find the best way to let the kid get away with it

[globalloon]

i wholeheartedly disagree nwith you glo, your plan is nice inall if the plan was to find the best way to let the kid get away with it

you're entitled to your opinion

all i'm saying is that I have 23 (sp) years experience of dealing with children and young people who are deemed 'in need' (under the definition of the Children's Act) because they are either in social service care, or have an order against them by the youth crime prevention service

and in my experience, smacking this child would be a negative thing, for everyone involved

i'd be interested to hear more about how your plan would work though

[Torrent]

If my younger brother was being a little prick and got a slap and i knew it was becasue my bro was being a cock i wouldnt really have an issue with it personally.
There is obviously a difference between giving someone a couple of digs to show them your not a soft touch to totally going psycho with a bat tho. Sounds like the kid in question needs a hefty clout round the ear or a bucket of piss thrown over him!


I've got to say I agree with you here, when I was young I used to be a bit of a shit, I never went round harassing people in thier own home but I did think I was the big man and used to give verbal abuse to blokes alot older and bigger than me thinking that they'd never hit me back. Eventually I learnt my lesson after they did hit me back, it took a few times for me to learn but I got there in the end. These days I'm the least abusive/violent person I know, infact I hate fighting and avoid situations that lead to it.

Anyway as it goes I'm not going to hit him, although I think maybe a dead leg or two might do him some good, then again it could just make things 10 times worse and result in a brick through the window or police involvement. Also going by what Globalloon has said I don't think I'll try restraining him either as I have a clean record and I wish to keep it that way, I guess what I'll do is just leave it and see how things pan out. If I can find out where he lives by maybe having words with some of the other kids in the area then I'll have words with his parents, otherwise I spose I'll leave it to the police for now.

Anyway cheers to everyone for all your input, I should be offski :yawn: .

[Torrent]

Whoopsi, double post.

[JulesDogg]

it sounds to me like there's a whole load of machismo shite being spoken here :you_crazy

apart from the fact that all the evidence from sociological & psychological studies as well as experiences in the penal system show that brutalising people makes the problem worse

children (and he is a child) respond well to clear, fair boundaries. when they don't get that (particularly at home), they get messed up.

unless he is clinically psychopathic there's no reason he wouldn't respond to normal communication or a positive intervention

I don't know why he's chosen to kick your door, so just a few tips

if you hit him, you are likely to end up with a serious criminal charge and a lifelong record on the child offenders register. if you attempt a 'citizen arrest', be aware that you can only do so in self defence. self defence can also include a reasonable fear that the person you are arresting is going to inflict serious physical harm on someone else immediately unless you intervene. unless you are trained in restraining techniques specific to children, anything you do in a struggle has an increased chance of causing a grevious injury (i.e fracturing a bone) compared to an adult

if him kicking your door and giving your parents verbal is genuinely causing distress (and it sounds like it is) you should; keep a diary of every incident; ask neighbours if they have witnessed any incidents and if so, ask them to write down what they saw (just sticking to the facts, leave out any opinions about the kid); and keep ringing the police... dialling 999 because a kid kicked your door is unlikely to get any response, so call your local police call centre, find out who is your local beat and get them round to explain what has been happening, show them your diary of dates, any witnesses etc. chances are he's "known" to local cops already, he may already have a youth crime prevention worker assigned to him. these trained professionals are far better to deal with him than you

taking matters into your own hands will just escalate the situation and place you a long way on the wrong side of the law.

basically, smacking anyone is the sure sign of a throwback, no matter how how wound up you get. take a deep breath. he's just a fucked up little kid. don't make matters a whole shade worse for yourself by acting on adrenalin. use your head

good luck and let us know how it goes :group_hug

Glo, you have presented the soundest advice on this thread. While giving the brat a beating might be tempting it is illegal to beat the the crap out of people and also not very nice. Chucking water on someone is also deemed as common assault. I would also venture that if you ignore him he will probably tire of his little campaign, get bored and go away of his own accord eventually.

If you could follow him back to his home address it may be worth talking to his parents about the problem.

As Glo suggests, keep a record of dates, witnesses etc and call the cops everytime it happens.

Good luck

[DIONYSUS]

i do agree with glo on this (even tho it slightly contradictes my earlier posts:hopeless:), my dads been a social worker/social care manager for probably about the same time as glo was saying he's been involved (dont mean to make you feel old:wink:) I know violence never solves anything. And i was a horrible little shit with loads of issues when i was a kid and my dad cause of his training helped me sort out my issues and stop being such a angry prick. i think i was feeling angry about my own issue with my neighbour when i wrote the advice about giving him a kicking.:crazy_diz
Ive got this on going issue where the bitch next to us always pretty much every evening she comes back from the pub and shouts abuse and bangs against the wall from when she gets home to when she goes to sleep. This has been going on since sept!:hopeless: we finally called the cops, environmental health etc just before christmas. Environmental health did sound recording, police took statements from me and my g/f. The woman got arrested and was on bail for a week. CPS didnt take the case tho. so all that hassle has been for nowt. Fucking pissed off to be honest esp after the constant calls to the cops even one 999 call from g/f cause she was that scared. Obviously taking shit into your own hands is only going to land you in more trouble, but the police are fucking shit, they were really nice and helpfull and understanding, but they couldnt do anything cause she is doing it in her own house.
Not really sure what my point is, i hope it works out for you tho.good luck

any advice people have got for me and where i can go from here would also be greatly appreciated. Sorry i dont want to hijak the thread. Maybe PM me if anyones got any ideas...

thanks

[DaftFader]

yeah glo is right ..alltho beating the crap out of them is tempting probably wouldn't solve the issue

[DJCliffy]

yeah glo is right ..alltho beating the crap out of them is tempting probably wouldn't solve the issue

Unless you blind him but thats a bit harsh. If we're being silly now find out where he lives and leave him a flaming bag of poo. :wink:

[DaftFader]

Unless you blind him but thats a bit harsh. If we're being silly now find out where he lives and leave him a flaming bag of poo. :wink:

lol :laugh_at:...ring on his doorbell and run off .. when he goes to stamp out the flaming bad he steps in poo haha ... classic ... what films that off again i forgot :cry:

[DaftFader]

Unless you blind him but thats a bit harsh. If we're being silly now find out where he lives and leave him a flaming bag of poo. :wink:

lol :laugh_at:...ring on his doorbell and run off .. when he goes to stamp out the flaming bag he steps in poo haha ... classic ... what films that off again i forgot :cry:

[finbar]

lol :laugh_at:...ring on his doorbell and run off .. when he goes to stamp out the flaming bag he steps in poo haha ... classic ... what films that off again i forgot :cry:

It's off the simpsons, they do it to Principle Skinner!

Quote --"If matey were to smash that kid up then use of a balaclava is advisable. It's more frightening and that way he won't know who done it and everyone is a suspect. He'll realise that someone he offended beat him but won't know who. That should put him straight!"
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Someone I knew (complete twat) was coming home from a night on the piss one night and a group of blokes in balaclavas got out of a car and knocked the shit out of him with baseball bats. He had no idea who it was that he'd offended (he offends quite a lot of people) and, tbh, he still behaves in exactly the same way he did before.

[DaftFader]

It's off the simpsons, they do it to Principle Skinner!

Quote --"If matey were to smash that kid up then use of a balaclava is advisable. It's more frightening and that way he won't know who done it and everyone is a suspect. He'll realise that someone he offended beat him but won't know who. That should put him straight!"
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Someone I knew (complete twat) was coming home from a night on the piss one night and a group of blokes in balaclavas got out of a car and knocked the shit out of him with baseball bats. He had no idea who it was that he'd offended (he offends quite a lot of people) and, tbh, he still behaves in exactly the same way he did before.
lol is your sig about dog siht by any chance? :yakk::laugh_at: