Do YOU Believe or Not?

[DJCliffy]

Hi folks, Now i used to go ghosthunting a couple years ago and have seen some incredible sights. I won't go into it unless you wanna hear some of the stuff i've seen. Now cos of this i have a firm believe in spirits and the afterlife.

My question to you is, Do you believe in Ghosts/Spirits or do you think it's a load of shite.

(Don't anyone turn this into a flame war. Respect each others answers please!) :love:

[DaftFader]

not sure ... i'll find out when i die i guess :laugh_at:

[BioTech]

Not sure to be honest. I believe that people have some very real experiences but whether you can put it down to ghosts/spirits is another matter. I tend to belive that many things are explainable with science and we are yet to have any real conclusive proof of paranormal activity.

Unless of course you are counting Most Haunted. Now that's some serious shit right there.

[globalloon]

years ago i was babysitting for a friend

in her living room was a spiral staircase that went up through the ceiling into the upstairs landing. it was a modern terraced house (built circa 1980's)

i was completely sober and watching something on TV (nothing spooky)

i was suddenly gripped by a feeling of massive fear. i looked up to where the staircase went into the upstairs and saw some kind of dark matter coming down into the living room.

to try and explain what i saw, the light from the living room should have lit up the wall of the landing that i could see above the stairs, but it was the opposite of that, like darkness was reflecting out onto the wall of the living room near the space in the ceiling where the stairs were. it was almost like smokey tendrils, but not smoke, just 'black light' coming down into a brightl lit room

i knew that the baby (who was about 18 months old) was asleep upstairs. I ran upstairs in the dark (almost puking with fear), grabbed her out of her cot and ran out of the house. my heart was in my throat and I was clammy with sweat and in a state of panic. i banged on the neighbours door. when they answered i didn't really know what to say but asked to come in and they let me in. when i explained what had happened, they said

"oh no, it's back"

:crazy:

when the babys' mum got home i told her what had happened and she broke down crying. it turned out she had had exorcists in and the house had been ok since then, but before that she had had loads of experiences of a dark presence in the house

she moved out shortly after

explain that. i can't

[DaftFader]

years ago i was babysitting for a friend

in her living room was a spiral staircase that went up through the ceiling into the upstairs landing. it was a modern terraced house (built circa 1980's)

i was completely sober and watching something on TV (nothing spooky)

i was suddenly gripped by a feeling of massive fear. i looked up to where the staircase went into the upstairs and saw some kind of dark matter coming down into the living room.

to try and explain what i saw, the light from the living room should have lit up the wall of the landing that i could see above the stairs, but it was the opposite of that, like darkness was reflecting out onto the wall of the living room near the space in the ceiling where the stairs were. it was almost like smokey tendrils, but not smoke, just 'black light' coming down into a brightl lit room

i knew that the baby (who was about 18 months old) was asleep upstairs. I ran upstairs in the dark (almost puking with fear), grabbed her out of her cot and ran out of the house. my heart was in my throat and I was clammy with sweat and in a state of panic. i banged on the neighbours door. when they answered i didn't really know what to say but asked to come in and they let me in. when i explained what had happened, they said

"oh no, it's back"

:crazy:

when the babys' mum got home i told her what had happened and she broke down crying. it turned out she had had exorcists in and the house had been ok since then, but before that she had had loads of experiences of a dark presence in the house

she moved out shortly after

explain that. i can't

that's the reason im not sure about these things as i have never had an experiance like that first hand ..but so many people report them . even people i know well or have known well in the past .. i used to think it was just attention seaking when i was younger but some of the people who have told me they have had experiances like this i'm sure wouldn't make it up so it's left me wondering ....:crazy:

[BioTech]

years ago i was babysitting for a friend

in her living room was a spiral staircase that went up through the ceiling into the upstairs landing. it was a modern terraced house (built circa 1980's)

i was completely sober and watching something on TV (nothing spooky)

i was suddenly gripped by a feeling of massive fear. i looked up to where the staircase went into the upstairs and saw some kind of dark matter coming down into the living room.

to try and explain what i saw, the light from the living room should have lit up the wall of the landing that i could see above the stairs, but it was the opposite of that, like darkness was reflecting out onto the wall of the living room near the space in the ceiling where the stairs were. it was almost like smokey tendrils, but not smoke, just 'black light' coming down into a brightl lit room

i knew that the baby (who was about 18 months old) was asleep upstairs. I ran upstairs in the dark (almost puking with fear), grabbed her out of her cot and ran out of the house. my heart was in my throat and I was clammy with sweat and in a state of panic. i banged on the neighbours door. when they answered i didn't really know what to say but asked to come in and they let me in. when i explained what had happened, they said

"oh no, it's back"

:crazy:

when the babys' mum got home i told her what had happened and she broke down crying. it turned out she had had exorcists in and the house had been ok since then, but before that she had had loads of experiences of a dark presence in the house

she moved out shortly after

explain that. i can't

Trick of the light??



Nah, seriously, I don't know. That's why I'm the same as DaftFader. I'm neither a skeptic or a believer.

However I do believe that certain conditions can have an effect on the brain. For instance, just lately they have found that very low frequencies can make people believe they are experiencing ghostly activities. Maybe there was some kind of similar effect on that house that was "on and off" and the exorcisms just coincided with that.

Not trying to make light of your experience because to be honest it sounds bloody terrifying. I just find it's easy to believe in these things because they sound so interesting and entertaining so people want them to be true and will ignore any other explanation. Plus if you actually experience that kind of thing for youself it must be pretty bloody convincing. I'd be annoyed if I had your experience and then someone told me I was imagining things.

That said, I'd be shit scared in a supposed haunted house by myself.. at night.

[globalloon]

i'm a fairly sceptical person too. i only remembered this experience a couple weeks back when a bunch of people were talking about ghost stories and i was like "naaaa" then i remembered that time and a shiver went down my spine

what kind of low frequencies do you mean, Bio? ... I can go to sleep in bass bins without feeling haunted (until the next day)

[MisterDuck]

it's certainly possible, noone can argue its not, we only know so much about this entire univeerse!

personally i dont know, i've never experienced anything. but i dont disbelieve at all.

who knows? i dont think humanity will ever discover everythin

[Tank Girl]

I am quite similar - as in I'm not a convinsed 'believer' but neither dispute others experiences

the house I live in - and where I am sitting my gran (who I never met) died and our spare room my grandad died,


and have had to .... err ..... whats the word ???

oh yeh,

lie to mr tank and tell him they 'went' in hospital as he wouldnt have moved in here as he has had a 'ghost' experience that really freaked him as a child

[shift]

mmm its a hard one ay, only thing i can think off was once at my old flat. me my girlfriend and my best mate and his girl wer siting in the lounge room on the couch having a few drinks, well we were only on our second drink so there was fore cans on the coffee table and weer all just siting there, my mate was rolling a smoke and no one was talking at the time. well what happened was that the can in front of my mate started to vibrate and spin like when you spin a coin you no how it gos just before it stops, not actually spin around but on the rim on the bottom, anyway it wouldnt of been more than three seconds and it stopped, we all just sat there steering at this can no one said anything wear all thinking did that just happen! then my mate gos, did you see that! strait away my girlfriends yeah did you see that. im just going wtf and his misses is siting there looking freaked out big time lol, then the girls got up and went out side to drink lol
found out a few months later that a girl had hung her self in the hous next door like 15-20 years back, im like fuck that bitch comin to my house trying to still my empty cans!

[lilmstrixta]

I believe, my flat that i am living in at the minute lots of odd things happen things move on there own i think our ghost or spirit lives in the hall lol i've seen things out the corner of my eye but that could just be a trick of the light i know either way thats not what made me believe what did was when i was about 12 i was staying at my friends house and we were sat in her room with the door open and we saw this white figure walk past which we thought was her mum anyway 10minutes passed and she didnt come back through so we went into the bathroom and there was nothing there.

[BioTech]

what kind of low frequencies do you mean, Bio? ... I can go to sleep in bass bins without feeling haunted (until the next day)

Infrasound around 19hz to be precise. Apparently.

Interesting reading:
http://www.livesoundint.com/archives/2002/janfeb/low/low.php

Coupled with the sense of dread that 19hz produces is the suggestion that 20hz is the resonant frequency of your eyeballs, which could cause "appiritions"

[BioTech]

Just tried an experiment by generating a 19hz sinewave, and although my sub in the house doesn't really cope too well, I felt very uneasy and on edge when I cranked it up.

[DaftFader]

Just tried an experiment by generating a 19hz sinewave, and although my sub in the house doesn't really cope too well, I felt very uneasy and on edge when I cranked it up.

you should get an infrasound sub and make a bin that goes that low and shit people up at partys ect. :crazy: ..they'd be like wtf ..i haven't even done drugs and im tripping :hopeless:

[DIONYSUS]

you should get an infrasound sub and make a bin that goes that low and shit people up at partys ect. :crazy: ..they'd be like wtf ..i haven't even done drugs and im tripping :hopeless:
Or wait till the coppers turn up then point it at them. it'd be well funny watching them all looking around and then running off!

[DaftFader]

Or wait till the coppers turn up then point it at them. it'd be well funny watching them all looking around and then running off!

haha that would be sweet ..altho you would probably get done for some kind of war wepon if you did that :crazy:

[Sini]

What experiences have you had Cliffy if you don't mind sharing?

I've never seen an actual ghost but i have felt a "presence" before that was later confirmed by a psychic.
Nothing concrete but it doesn't stop me from believing.
I'd love to experience something myself though!
It interests me alot :bounce_fl

[JonnyQuest]

its all aliens, all of it. just aliens playing tricks on us

[Sini]

its all aliens, all of it. just aliens playing tricks on us

Can it not be? :hopeless:
Scary mofos!

[BioTech]

later confirmed by a psychic.


Now, those people I definitely have a problem believing.

[globalloon]

Just tried an experiment by generating a 19hz sinewave, and although my sub in the house doesn't really cope too well, I felt very uneasy and on edge when I cranked it up.

i can believe that

what could cause / generate that frequency in a house? wouldn't the neighbouring houses also experience it?

[DJCliffy]

What experiences have you had Cliffy if you don't mind sharing?

I've never seen an actual ghost but i have felt a "presence" before that was later confirmed by a psychic.
Nothing concrete but it doesn't stop me from believing.
I'd love to experience something myself though!
It interests me alot :bounce_fl

Well Sini, a couple years ago i was part of a paranormal group that would investigate haunted locations. We went to locations all over the country.
The most memorable investigation for me was conducted in north wales in a place called Maes Arto. Maes Arto was an old RAF base that saw a fair bit of action during ww2.
When we arrived at the base we were told that something nasty lurked there who would attack any woman who were on their own.

When we arrived me an my cousin had a walk around and started to call out to the spirits basically calling them cunts and said if they wanted someone to pick on then pick on us!
Later that night we were doing a ouija board and were communicating with these nasty fuckers. when we asked if they were gonna harm us the board said yes. upon further questioning we found out that there were 6 of these spirits around us and all of them wanted to fuck me and my cousin up.
the medium asked us to apologise to em which me cousin did but i didn't. Later on we entered another area and for me it didn't feel right at all. What happened next scared the hell out of me. We asked the spirits if they they wanted to harm one of us then the next minute i felt hands around my neck, Honest to god i was being strangled but by something that wasn't visible to me or anyone else. I proper legged it and was shitting myself, When i asked the medium she told me that these spirits wanted to proper hurt me and would follow me around because i had pissed them off earlier. We were there two days and this all happend on the first night. That night when i went to bed i woke up to find that i had a blood all around my nose. When i saw the medium she told me that these spirits had hit me and would leave me alone after this. This was the last investigation i went on cos it really did freak me out to the point that i didn't feel safe carrying on with it.

Tbh i could carry on but i have truthfully experienced said events. I could say more but i'll leave it for another day:love:

[DaftFader]

Well Sini, a couple years ago i was part of a paranormal group that would investigate haunted locations. We went to locations all over the country.
The most memorable investigation for me was conducted in north wales in a place called Maes Arto. Maes Arto was an old RAF base that saw a fair bit of action during ww2.
When we arrived at the base we were told that something nasty lurked there who would attack any woman who were on their own.

When we arrived me an my cousin had a walk around and started to call out to the spirits basically calling them cunts and said if they wanted someone to pick on then pick on us!
Later that night we were doing a ouija board and were communicating with these nasty fuckers. when we asked if they were gonna harm us the board said yes. upon further questioning we found out that there were 6 of these spirits around us and all of them wanted to fuck me and my cousin up.
the medium asked us to apologise to em which me cousin did but i didn't. Later on we entered another area and for me it didn't feel right at all. What happened next scared the hell out of me. We asked the spirits if they they wanted to harm one of us then the next minute i felt hands around my neck, Honest to god i was being strangled but by something that wasn't visible to me or anyone else. I proper legged it and was shitting myself, When i asked the medium she told me that these spirits wanted to proper hurt me and would follow me around because i had pissed them off earlier. We were there two days and this all happend on the first night. That night when i went to bed i woke up to find that i had a blood all around my nose. When i saw the medium she told me that these spirits had hit me and would leave me alone after this. This was the last investigation i went on cos it really did freak me out to the point that i didn't feel safe carrying on with it.

Tbh i could carry on but i have truthfully experienced said events. I could say more but i'll leave it for another day:love:
wow mediums are getting well desperate now days .. can't belive she punched you in the nose whilst you was asleep :laugh_at:

[DaftFader]

Now, those people I definitely have a problem believing.
yeah i know a guy whos mum is a spiritualst ... and she belives in all this stuff .. and tells me about it ... i just get realy sinicle when i hear it tho ... i can kind of comprihend the idea off my own back .. but when some one is there going "pay me" to tell me this kind of stuff ... i kind of don't:you_crazy

[e_babes]

My belief is more to do with energies

I believe that 'spirits' or 'ghosts' are energies that have lingered or left an imprint in our world. I believe that sensitive people or 'conductors' feel these energies (such as myself)

Humans crave energy and we do all sorts of things to gain more and more, just observe peoples behaveiour and you can see power struggles everywhere, and this is while we are living!!!

I also believe that as humans we also create our own ghosts and fear of the unknown increases our insecurities and we can feel anything we wanted.

That aside, if I could donate myself to science I'd love to show some of the things I was able to do - (too many coincidences have been there for it to be a coincidence, no what I mean??) and that is MY proof for ME and that is enough for my own bit of faith and I aint gotta proove it to no-one.

:love:

PLUR

PS - my board under the keyboard is my Ouijja board - wanna see?

PPS - I also do tarot cards - Don't I Angel ;-)

[DaftFader]

PS - my board under the keyboard is my Ouijja board - wanna see?

noy a QWERTY Ouijja board then i see :cry:

[lilmstrixta]

My belief is more to do with energies

I believe that 'spirits' or 'ghosts' are energies that have lingered or left an imprint in our world. I believe that sensitive people or 'conductors' feel these energies (such as myself)

Humans crave energy and we do all sorts of things to gain more and more, just observe peoples behaveiour and you can see power struggles everywhere, and this is while we are living!!!

I also believe that as humans we also create our own ghosts and fear of the unknown increases our insecurities and we can feel anything we wanted.

That aside, if I could donate myself to science I'd love to show some of the things I was able to do - (too many coincidences have been there for it to be a coincidence, no what I mean??) and that is MY proof for ME and that is enough for my own bit of faith and I aint gotta proove it to no-one.

:love:

PLUR

PS - my board under the keyboard is my Ouijja board - wanna see?

PPS - I also do tarot cards - Don't I Angel ;-)

i have been trying to learn how to do tarrot cards howlong have you been doing them for?

Also i am not a fan off ouijji boards because when you let in the good you let in the bad aswell not to be messed with i dont think

[e_babes]

i have been trying to learn how to do tarrot cards howlong have you been doing them for?

Also i am not a fan off ouijji boards because when you let in the good you let in the bad aswell not to be messed with i dont think

Ive been doing Tarot since I was 13 - so nearly 19 years - I say I'm pretty accurate and good and give excellent advice :love: some people just need pointing in the right direction to get their life on track

I use it as a psychological tool too not just divination - to help people understand whats happening around them and to make them look at the bigger picture

Its not a quick event and as long as someone is interested, I can carry on until I'm tired

[Angel]

PPS - I also do tarot cards - Don't I Angel ;-)

Was very interesting ,made me think a lot and still do :wink:

[lilmstrixta]

Ive been doing Tarot since I was 13 - so nearly 19 years - I say I'm pretty accurate and good and give excellent advice :love: some people just need pointing in the right direction to get their life on track

I use it as a psychological tool too not just divination - to help people understand whats happening around them and to make them look at the bigger picture

Its not a quick event and as long as someone is interested, I can carry on until I'm tired


sounds quite cool, did someone teach you or did you teach yourself?

[Cinimod]

I don't believe for a single second in ghosts and things. I think they are completely fictional, but having said that, I am a physics student at university atm, lol. So what do you expect :P

[DJCliffy]

I don't believe for a single second in ghosts and things. I think they are completely fictional, but having said that, I am a physics student at university atm, lol. So what do you expect :P

Would you do a ouija board then? :wink:

[Raj]

Ive been doing Tarot since I was 13 - so nearly 19 years - I say I'm pretty accurate and good and give excellent advice :love: some people just need pointing in the right direction to get their life on track

I use it as a psychological tool too not just divination - to help people understand whats happening around them and to make them look at the bigger picture

Its not a quick event and as long as someone is interested, I can carry on until I'm tired

Come and visit me e-babes - you and I have a lot to talk about lol :group_hug

[e_babes]

sounds quite cool, did someone teach you or did you teach yourself?

I taught myself using books and then developed using my intuition. I find that intuition is very important when doing something like this. In effect some people take your advice VERY seriously and so you have to be carefull what you say and what advice you give.



Come and visit me e-babes - you and I have a lot to talk about lol

Raj - I'll see you on MSN if you want.

[lilmstrixta]

wicked stuff

[BioTech]

you should get an infrasound sub and make a bin that goes that low and shit people up at partys ect. :crazy: ..they'd be like wtf ..i haven't even done drugs and im tripping :hopeless:

I know what I'm going to be trying through the labs at the next hire night!

[BioTech]

what could cause / generate that frequency in a house? wouldn't the neighbouring houses also experience it?

Well, that's the bit that is tricky to explain I suppose. However, if you really think about it, what's more likely? An unknown source that is somehow generating very low level frequencies that pass through a particular house/building or an evil presence from another plane of existence that has manifested itself to put the shits up us?

There is little to no proof that ghosts and spirits exist. Surely, with all the people hunting for them with special equipment, they would have captured some solid evidence by now?

[BioTech]

wow mediums are getting well desperate now days .. can't belive she punched you in the nose whilst you was asleep :laugh_at:

Haha! :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:

[globalloon]

Well, that's the bit that is tricky to explain I suppose. However, if you really think about it, what's more likely? An unknown source that is somehow generating very low level frequencies that pass through a particular house/building or an evil presence from another plane of existence that has manifested itself to put the shits up us?

There is little to no proof that ghosts and spirits exist. Surely, with all the people hunting for them with special equipment, they would have captured some solid evidence by now?

i understand what you're saying and maybe my experience was the result of a sound. but to say that 'ghost hunters' would have proved the existence of 'ghosts' doesn't make sense. if we don't know what we are dealing with, how can we know what special equipment to use to detect their presence

also, would a frequency like that be likely to travel into a neighbouring house? this was a cheapy, new build, terraced house. the neighbour i ran to had experienced nothing

i have another experience that defies the frequency theory... when i was about 11 i had to take a letter that had been delivered to my grandmothers house, in error, to the house it was intended for.

the street had the front doors slightly below street level. i managed to get the house numbers the wrong way around (something like 72 instead of 27) and when i knocked in the door, it swung open and banged against the hallway wall (ie. no-one could have been hiding behind it) and the hallway was empty... no-one was there to open the door!

it freaked me out and i ran away. i went back with my mum later in the day and the whole house was boarded up and the door that had opened was nailed shut with big fat rusty nails. the neighbour subsequently told us it had been empty for about 8 years!

[BioTech]

i understand what you're saying and maybe my experience was the result of a sound. but to say that 'ghost hunters' would have proved the existence of 'ghosts' doesn't make sense. if we don't know what we are dealing with, how can we know what special equipment to use to detect their presence

Maybe. Although we all have access to recording equipment which essentially records what the eye sees. It seems a little too convenient that the argument is that electronic recording equipment cannot pick up ghosts on film.

also, would a frequency like that be likely to travel into a neighbouring house? this was a cheapy, new build, terraced house. the neighbour i ran to had experienced nothing

I'd be inclined to agree with you on that one but I certainly wouldn't rule out something like that being the cause, I just can't explain it myself. Besides I don't really want to dispute what you saw because I don't take you as a man that would make such things up and I believe you that your experience (whatever it may have been) was very real.


i have another experience that defies the frequency theory... when i was about 11 i had to take a letter that had been delivered to my grandmothers house, in error, to the house it was intended for.

the street had the front doors slightly below street level. i managed to get the house numbers the wrong way around (something like 72 instead of 27) and when i knocked in the door, it swung open and banged against the hallway wall (ie. no-one could have been hiding behind it) and the hallway was empty... no-one was there to open the door!

it freaked me out and i ran away. i went back with my mum later in the day and the whole house was boarded up and the door that had opened was nailed shut with big fat rusty nails. the neighbour subsequently told us it had been empty for about 8 years!

Childhood imagination? Over time you have edited out all the bits that would likely disprove it and have emphasised the more exciting and spooky bits in your own mind?

I really don't know and once again I'm not calling bullshit, I'm just looking at things in a different perspective and suggesting what it might possibly be.

For instance, me and a mate were in my bedroom once when I was little and we were sure that a poster moved to different positions in my room when we weren't looking and then fell below the bed and disappeared. Now I'm pretty sure I remember making the dissapearence up but I've told the story so many times to people (and in my own head) that I can't actually remember if there was any truth in the story whatsoever or it was just my childhood imagination running wild.

The human brain is a powerful thing.

[JonnyQuest]

For instance, me and a mate were in my bedroom once when I was little and we were sure that a poster moved to different positions in my room when we weren't looking and then fell below the bed and disappeared. Now I'm pretty sure I remember making the dissapearence up but I've told the story so many times to people (and in my own head) that I can't actually remember if there was any truth in the story whatsoever or it was just my childhood imagination running wild.

The human brain is a powerful thing.

no joke man i was putting a poster up when i was little and i dropped the bluetac it rolled under my bed and i went to egt it, gone, never saw it again and i searched bare, but i think id say mice took it ebfore a ghost

[DaftFader]

no joke man i was putting a poster up when i was little and i dropped the bluetac it rolled under my bed and i went to egt it, gone, never saw it again and i searched bare, but i think id say mice took it ebfore a ghost
yeah i put a cd on the side .. go back five minits later to look for it and its not there ..it's the other side of my room ..... some i lose forever lol... i think im just going a slight bit mad after all the years of mind expanding i have partisapated in :laugh_at:

[DaftFader]

Maybe. Although we all have access to recording equipment which essentially records what the eye sees. It seems a little too convenient that the argument is that electronic recording equipment cannot pick up ghosts on film.
alot of the so called "paranormal decection equipment" you get now days picks up radiation flux's or changes in magnetical fields ..now i'm not not saing that these don't pick up spirts .. nor am i saing that they do .... but if the experts in this field belive that a "goast" is or can be detected by a devise that uses this medium (no pun intended) to detect such a presence .. then mabey the theory that it could be just a certain frequency of sound is causing if not all .. at least some of the effects people report as a paranormal experiance .. there may be several factors ... but if coincidence desides to conspire and all come together ..then mabey this could cause a goast encounter ... mabey the goasts make these frequencys them selves :hopeless:

[Cinimod]

Would you do a ouija board then? :wink:
I would if I had one, or knew any1 who had 1. lol.

[amyberthelet]

Don't! Dangerous...I know many people who have messed around with those and had seriously messed up stuff happen afterward, to the point where it scared the crap outta them! I had one when I was a kid, but when my grandparents found out what it was they threw it out and told me it got left behind when we moved.

[pixiegirl]

I believe that the body is made up from energy and when we "die" then that energy definitely goes somewhere, is transferred into some form. I also think that it is perfectly possible that energy continues to have an effect on other energy fields in the world that we may interpret, or misinterpret in certain ways. However I don't believe in ghosts/spirits in the way those terms are generally understood. I also believe that humans, particularly in group situations, can be highly suggestible and relatively easily provoked to exhibit some signs of mass hysteria.

[DJCliffy]

Don't! Dangerous...I know many people who have messed around with those and had seriously messed up stuff happen afterward, to the point where it scared the crap outta them! I had one when I was a kid, but when my grandparents found out what it was they threw it out and told me it got left behind when we moved.

Back in the day when a ghosthunter we used to use em all the time. Not being horrible but i think it's weakminded people who suffer from ouija boards. I used to take em with a pinch of salt whenever we used em. Once i was threatened by a group of spirits who said they wanted to kill me. I said ok then and told i was gonna walk out the room on me own and told em to let rip. Took a camcorder as well and was standing there for about 20 minutes, heard a few moans but that was it. The thing with ouija boards is quite often you'll get a joker come through and try and scare ya but the trick to it all is not to worry.

Might go again soon for a bit of nostalgia! :love:

[ideosphere]

Not sure to be honest. I believe that people have some very real experiences but whether you can put it down to ghosts/spirits is another matter. I tend to belive that many things are explainable with science and we are yet to have any real conclusive proof of paranormal activity.

Unless of course you are counting Most Haunted. Now that's some serious shit right there.

Pretty much my position entirely - I periodically get into this with Rob who is absolutely a believer - have to word my responses extremely carefully because, to him, his experiences have been absolutely real.

Just to develop on Ol's point above, I think that everything is explainable by science (even if there isn't a current scientific explanation for something yet, that doesn't mean that the science isn't there - gravity still existed before it was explained!). I also find it strange that given at the very least hundreds of years of scientific exploration (particularly with our recent love affair with cctv) and the number of experiences people claim to have had, there has yet to be a widely accepted body of evidence where scientists can say 'yup - that there is a genuine ghosty'

I always try to remember that my experience of the world around me is entirely constructed of my brains response to the huge number of stimuli available to it at any given time.

I also try to remeber that the brain is particularly subject to suggestion - (consider Derren Brown's body of work) - add to that the fact that memory and recollection of events and feelings is also extremely subjective and you get loads of different semi-plausible reasons for paranormal experiences. It's just the tip of the iceberg really and it's not to say that the physical world can't make some odd shit happen from time to time (with or without a chemical trigger :wink:), it's just I feel that it's a bit of a leap of faith to go from weird experience to ghost simply because no other explanation seems to exist.

[Sini]

Might go again soon for a bit of nostalgia! :love:

I'm still wanting to do a ghost hunt, i can't help being curious.

I was going to ramble on about energy aswell and my thoughts but i think my energy's saying tired :yawn:

I like these sorts of topics ^_^

[Boobahhaha]

hey man i soo believe

I have had stuff happen to me and friends

tell us ur stories!:bounce_g:

[O-D]

It was 8pm in the November, so it was very dark, and I looked out the window to see this little 10 year old running down the street fully kitted out in a ghost busters set.

I aint afraid of no ghosts!

[Sini]

It was 8pm in the November, so it was very dark, and I looked out the window to see this little 10 year old running down the street fully kitted out in a ghost busters set.

I aint afraid of no ghosts!

This is why we should all own the ghost trap.....i once did :laugh_at:

[GrassChopper]

Ahh balls, I auto assumed it was something about a deity or higher being of sorts... Not spirits.... Even tho I read it properly :crazy_diz

I put disbelieve - altho I would have put not sure lol

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

I believe that the body is made up from energy and when we "die" then that energy definitely goes somewhere, is transferred into some form. I also think that it is perfectly possible that energy continues to have an effect on other energy fields in the world that we may interpret, or misinterpret in certain ways. However I don't believe in ghosts/spirits in the way those terms are generally understood. I also believe that humans, particularly in group situations, can be highly suggestible and relatively easily provoked to exhibit some signs of mass hysteria.
yeah i kinda am leaning towards beliving in something along these lines .... it can actualy be very scientific ... every thing is made out of energy .. FACT! ... so what is energy? ...esentualy it is movement of stuff .... how does energy travel? ... through waves .. .. heat waves, light waves, sound waves .. ect.
if you imagin the world as a big tranfer of energy from one thing to another then you will see that it is possible for pockets of enery to get traped or more like bulid up or collect in one place .. just like you get hot spots on a fring pan .... or a balloon will charge with static electrisity ...
these freaquencys that cause these feelings of fear ... could just be pockets of energy ... as i say every thing resonates at a certain frequency as every thing is energy and all energy is a wave form ... hope thats makes sence to most of you

[n.r.g]

my house has a ghost or something its like a kind of shadow it often comes in and sits on the sofa in the sitting room and when we go check on the kids at night it kind of flits up the stairs in front of us we had loads of tv,s and stuff clap up on us and yet the shadow thing seems nice not nasty or evil our mates have seen it too and members of our family including folk who don,t believe in such things which is kinda odd but sure tis not the dead you should fear its the living they can do more damage

[littlebubbin]

when i was younger and if i was ill aparently a little black boy used to watch over me, ive not seen anything first hand that couldnt be explained, id like to belive it because id hate to think im just gona die and rot.

[photographthesun]

I dont believe in ghosts, science is more my thing

[p0ly]

i wanna be a ghost

[p0ly]

isnt seeing a ghost like someone thinking they've seen god? seems like bullshit to me

[DJCliffy]

isnt seeing a ghost like someone thinking they've seen god? seems like bullshit to me

I've seen a ghost and it wasn't anything like seeing 'God'. i used to do ghosthunting. All it's done to me is made me not fear death.

[p0ly]

did u speak about this ghost on this thread? im lazy

[DJCliffy]

did u speak about this ghost on this thread? im lazy

I don't really speak about it anymore. Used to get drawn into arguments about it and i can't be arsed to argue anymore (not on here though mind) All i know is there is something more to life cos of the stuff i have experienced. I used to ghosthunt with a proper group back in the day. Done all sorts of experiments and other stuff. Encountered some scary ass shit and been physically attacked by spirits. I'll tell ya about it soon mate but atm can't be bothered. :love:

[p0ly]

attacked by spirits!!

you werent high while on these ghosthunts were u?

[DJCliffy]

attacked by spirits!!

you werent high while on these ghosthunts were u?

Nah man i didn't really do alot of drugs back then. Although i used to do a bit of coke when on the long vigils. Some of the places i've been to have been fucking well dark man!! :hopeless:

[p0ly]

what made u and ur friends go ghosthunting?

[DJCliffy]

Well my cousin knew the group and invited me along, after that i was hooked. Have experienced some proper cool and scary stuff and seen things that can only be descibed as paranormal. Gave it up though when my views conflicted with some of the more hardcore believers of the group. I wanted to do things more scientifically and they didn't so i thought fuck you then and gave it up.

Am glad i did it though, I now have absolutely no fear of death, Just worried about the manner in which i go.

[p0ly]

so u feared death before?

what do u mean views conflicted?

[DJCliffy]

so u feared death before?

what do u mean views conflicted?

Well some of the group were your hardcore believers. if they heard a knock they would automatically assume a spirit had done it. I would try and find a logical explanation for it. I wanted to try more science based experiments but many of em didn't want to. It came to a head when we were investigating an old barn and we were split into two groups. The other group were on the other side of the barn in another building. As we entered the barn a owl flew out and made an almighty screech and flew off. When we found the other group they said they heard a woman scream. I told em no it was a bird and one of em got really aggressive and said it was a female screaming. Thought he was gonna punch me!! He was a hardcore believer as well and wouldn't have it. After that thought fuck this shit and gave it up!

[p0ly]

hahaha what a twat

[DJCliffy]

hahaha what a twat

he was a proper bell end. :laugh_at:

[p0ly]

when u knew it was an owl and he was taking it serious!! hahahaha

[DJCliffy]

when u knew it was an owl and he was taking it serious!! hahahaha

Yeah man, everyone in my group knew it was a bird as well but this fella would just not accept it. He was one of em that when he heard a creak or knock he would straightforward think it was a ghost. They're the sort of believers that you can't argue with, you can try but they won't have it. :you_crazy

[p0ly]

though saying u were physically attacked by a spirit sounds a little crazy

[DJCliffy]

though saying u were physically attacked by a spirit sounds a little crazy

Well that one was proper unexplainable. We were doing a seance in this old RAF base, I was told that if you wore an RAF or any other British forces uniform it would seriously piss off these spirits that resided there. We were doing a Ouija board and it came out that i had proper angered one of these spirits (earlier in the day i had gone in there on my own and baited em, ie taunting em) I used to do this to get reactions. Anyway a medium who was with us told me to get out of the room as she said that i was in danger, i said fuck that and started to call out and taunt em some more. As we were walking out it felt as though something had grabbed me round the neck and tried to drag me back in the room (i was the last one out as well) it proper scared the shit out of me and when we got back to HQ room i had marks all around my neck as though someone had tried to throttle me yet no one was behind me in the room. Made me think again about taunting em! The medium even said the spirit told her it was gonna follow me home. I didn't need to hear that shit!! :laugh_at:

[p0ly]

sounds interesting!! where abouts was this raf base