UK : W : Swindon "mini-rave" busted

[General Lighting]

cops even busted this relatively small party!

They also searched virtually a quarter of the rave.. this seems to suggest there is actually a nationwide clampdown this year across England and Wales

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7249682.stm

Officers halt illegal rave party

Police have broken up an illegal rave party being held in disused farm buildings in Swindon. Officers were called to Mill Lane on Sunday morning and found up to 80 revellers and 50 cars at the site.
A total of 16 people were stopped and searched, two were cautioned for possession of cannabis and one was arrested for another drugs offence.
A police spokeswoman said a sniffer dog and force helicopter were used in the operation.

[DIONYSUS]

cops even busted this relatively small party!

They also searched virtually a quarter of the rave.. this seems to suggest there is actually a nationwide clampdown this year across England and Wales

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7249682.stm
Thats a fucking joke if there was only 80 people there. I mean whats the point? ( is suppose it sends a message out, but..) Maybe they got away with searching that many people cause there were so few there tho?

[lilmstrixta]

must have been a clamp down they broke up one in thetford forest last night was reading it in the edp this morning

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED17%20Feb%202008%2013%3A00%3A39%3A277

[MrAHC]

Realy cant wait to get out of this country. Should of left in the late 90s...

[spangle]

Lucky we didn't go to this then! were waiting for the relocation after the first place got busted too but ended up going home (turned out we were literally round the corner but didn't realise!)
Hope my mates alrite he rang me on the night he'd jus got of prison n was following the rig for his first party in over a year, its just his luck he'l be the one who got nicked!

[technofreak52]

i am also glad we decided to turn around, we were waitin for directions and decided to fuck it and go home!! I dont see the point in searching everyone at a party, i thought the cops had bigger fish to fry!

[General Lighting]

i am also glad we decided to turn around, we were waitin for directions and decided to fuck it and go home!! I dont see the point in searching everyone at a party, i thought the cops had bigger fish to fry!
it might seem excessive but I think they are now definitely trying to deter people who are "just ravers" (rather than DJ's, rig owners) from attending or contributing anything to an illegal rave - in East Anglia they are starting to seize peoples cars :hopeless:

cops now see illegal raves to be one of the biggest areas where drugs are openly consumed and sold, they have worked out that some crews may be funded at least in party by drugs revenue, and they genuinely feel that occasional party drug use leads to more problematic use because of some peoples lack of self control

think about all the "nice middle class families" where their teenage kids have discovered pills or K and are fine at the weekends but start going psycho on the comedowns or they are dropping out of school/college. I remember this happening amongst my mates in 1991-2 so it must be even worse these days with drugs being cheaper and more easily available.

I bet you must know people like this as well... bear in mind there is a lot more cross referencing of data on people such as links with other incidents, NHS records etc.. also all the things the authorities have learned since the early rave days of the 1990s..

OK even if many of the youths sort themselves out its not after causing a fair bit of pain to themselves and those close to them and holding themselves back in life (in a ruthlessly competitive world)

take a look at our own drugs forums and sadly there seem to be a lot of people trying to get off ketamine or even smack who started on these things through the rave scene... whilst those forums do a lot of good helping people they also mean outsiders and authority figures also read and judge the party scene by what they see.. (this goes for everything posted on the internet)

its going to take a change on our part (less people fucking up) and possibly less parties for a bit before the situation gets any better (if it does..)

[lilmstrixta]

when i was out the other week at an organised rave 6 people collapsed in the main arena 3 of those where down to ket apparently, i guess its that whole thing of knowing your limits really i do try to do alot of things in moderation but i guess other people don't have that self control, i was talking to a friend of mine who was saying her sister has gotten into doing ket and see's it as a bit of a fashion statement.
so whats that now taking drugs is seen as a good thing cause it makes you look cool with your mates??? Who knows i know i took drugs when i was younger as it hightened the experience of the music ect.It seems people want to take drugs now so they don't feel in control of there own body.

[technofreak52]

I think you have a really good point, taking drugs does lead to people into changing there attitudes on life and aspirations etc. Parties can lead people to into drugs they would never have thought they would never take. but it isnt the only place that this can happen and police searching joe average and seizing your car isnt going to solve the issue. However i do agree change is needed to change what outsiders think of the rave scene. Im just not sure that less parties is the answer.

[General Lighting]

Im just not sure that less parties is the answer.

its only very recently (since about 1997 or so) that raves became a regular thing in England.

Even then it was only one or two a month rather than every weekend and they were in different places. Most of the crews I used to follow would only do one every month or so (its actually very stressful and labour intensive putting on a good party!)

what is happening is that certain areas are repeatedly being targeted and the locals are getting pissed off (even in areas where they once tolerated parties).

People like small farmers and villagers are now seeing themselves as victims rather than killjoys or oppressors and unfortunately the bulk of the British public is starting to support them...

[technofreak52]

its only very recently (since about 1997 or so) that raves became a regular thing in England.

Even then it was only one or two a month rather than every weekend and they were in different places. Most of the crews I used to follow would only do one every month or so (its actually very stressful and labour intensive putting on a good party!)

what is happening is that certain areas are repeatedly being targeted and the locals are getting pissed off (even in areas where they once tolerated parties).

People like small farmers and villagers are now seeing themselves as victims rather than killjoys or oppressors and unfortunately the bulk of the British public is starting to support them...

I think there will always be the bulk of the general public that will be opposed to parties. As the most people only know about what the hear in the media. I dont mind parties most weekends but the should be spread about to stop people feeling like victims or easy targets for abuse. i can even remember going to a few and feeling a bit sorry for the general public who had to deal with it. But no parties is not the answer, not really sure what is.

[lilmstrixta]

Do you think popularity has sored as equiptment is a lot cheeper to get hold of now? Also do you think if raves were less ferquent there wouldnt be as much of a problem?

[General Lighting]

the problem is these days the media aren't exaggerating (especially in East Anglia where there was a group of people with liberal views who would often challenge inaccurate media depictions of raves).

The stuff like mess, damage and overuse of drugs is real, something most ravers have seen with their own eyes..

I dont mind parties most weekends but the should be spread about to stop people feeling like victims or easy targets for abuse. i can even remember going to a few and feeling a bit sorry for the general public who had to deal with it.

if you are feeling like that (and it is usually the girls who pick up on this before the blokes) then there is definitely something wrong.

One thing I've noticed is a lot of girls in their late teens/twenties stopping partying or even leaving crews because they don't agree with stuff like the mess and aggression, this has been going on for some years now..

But no parties is not the answer, not really sure what is.

its a difficult one as everyone is just being daft/stubborn at the moment plus its the soft targets being hit (land which borders on to public access areas for instance) as many spaces of land are locked down solid - with each party that happens the word spreads and landowners beef up their security measures. Often the farms belong to fairly elderly people which makes the bad publicity even worse..

That said, I've been to parties even in East Anglia where you wouldn't have known afterwards there had been a rave in that place as the clean up was done well there are farmers who don't mind it if people clean up and don't damage farm type stuff (a lot of todays farmers may be my sort of age group and were once ravers themselves) but there is always some idiot what takes the piss..

what is a big shame for those of you in your teens/20s is these problems have been left to fester for 10 years, so I think you are unfortunately being punished for the crimes of the previous generation of ravers (many of whom have simply walked away and gone "back into normal life")

[General Lighting]

Do you think popularity has sored as equiptment is a lot cheeper to get hold of now? Also do you think if raves were less ferquent there wouldnt be as much of a problem?

yep that is definitely the case

one thing which I find strange (especially as a newcomer to this region) is why the same 30-40 mile radius area gets targeted?

I think though there is a certain headstrong, stubborn attitude in East Anglia which has been around for hundreds of years where people take sides and refuse to budge - which means that unfortunately cops are ready to deal with every sort of protest and direct action - and now the farmers feel they are the victims they don't want to "give in" to ravers.

[DJCliffy]

I'm fucking fed up with parties being busted all the time! It's really winding me up now! Drove for fucking ages on sat and when we was about 5miles away found out the Wankers (OB) had raided the party!!:head_bang


I think Organisers are gonna have to rethink their strategys when planning a party now. We need to find locations that are far away from residential areas!:wink:

[lilmstrixta]

It seems though from reading the reports that they are patroling where the meets are and thats where there busting up.

[General Lighting]

AFAIK only East Anglian crews use meeting points and I think DJ Cliffy was referring to parties in SE England (there is some debate over whether Beds / Herts is actually in the East, the Govt says it is but many people say its SE England)

I have said for some years now that meeting points is an obsolete and risky practice - it dates back from the times when mobile telephones were not readily available and insecure (sometimes the locals would listen in on scanners and grass up the party)

it also does make me wonder if in some cases (not all) the convoy is being used as "muscle" so crews are breaking a farm gate virtually under the farmers nose but he/she is frightened to do anything due to the large numbers of people present. if this is actually happening then I'm hardly surprised if locals feel "intimidated"!

even without meeting points one thing that counts against us is there isn't really a "late night culture" in rural areas of Great Britain. any large group of vehicles travelling at night is going to look a bit suspicious and there are only so many ways in and out of places most of which have traffic cameras on them.

[jack_daniels]

AFAIK only East Anglian crews use meeting points and I think DJ Cliffy was referring to parties in SE England (there is some debate over whether Beds / Herts is actually in the East, the Govt says it is but many people say its SE England)


three counties

[Ruff Beat Provider]

You lot are lightweights! The party didn't get halted instantly people negotiated with the old bill and it went on till 12. Nothing got seized and it was a ripper.
Should of come you missed a good one!

[General Lighting]

You lot are lightweights! The party didn't get halted instantly people negotiated with the old bill and it went on till 12. Nothing got seized and it was a ripper.
Should of come you missed a good one!
in that part of the country the cops are more likely to let you carry on if its not a bait location and you close down by lunchtime

I suspect what has got Norfolk parties such a bad rep (and also some Thames Valley crews) is the fact they often go on until Sunday evening (and would ignore "polite requests" to close down by midday) .... it means its too dark to pick up all the rubbish, all the dog walkers and ramblers get more pissed off as it makes the cops/authorities look impotent (at least if they see people clearing up and a couple of bobbies looking around it reassures them)

TBH most of the ravers who stay till sunday evening must be absolutely fucking useless at work or college the next day and their bosses/tutors do notice this (especially if the bosses/tutors are in their 30s-40s and remember the first wave of raves)

[MrAHC]

One got busted round here on saturday night i've just been told. The local 'sound system' run by the kids round here was in a mill thats owned by the guy who puts them on got pigged. Its in a residential area ffs what they expect.
They took a 500w little pa into a quarry thats 100m from a house and got it shut down last year :you_crazy They leave all there shit behind and have joy riders attending so as far as I'm concerned they deserve to be shut down.

One or two of them asked me if they could play on our rig at one of our partys this year no need to ask what the answer was....

[jack_daniels]

a good sleep and food sorts that right out most of time, but i have had a few days where i use to forget what i was doing.(i have been doing damp proofing for years) :weee:

[General Lighting]

One got busted round here on saturday night i've just been told. The local 'sound system' run by the kids round here was in a mill thats owned by the guy who puts them on got pigged. Its in a residential area ffs what they expect.

a lot of "essex wideboys" done similar things round here (on places they actually owned) more as a "glorified party for mates" but also to try and make a bit of cash (i.e selling drugs)

They also used residential/semi residential areas and got in trouble, as it was their own places they obviously couldn't be done for some of the CJA rules but were busted for licensing violations and the drugs etc...

unfortunately because of the fallout from this it also means Essex authorities are well on top about any sort of rave...

[MrAHC]

a lot of "essex wideboys" done similar things round here (on places they actually owned) more as a "glorified party for mates" but also to try and make a bit of cash (i.e selling drugs)

They also used residential/semi residential areas and got in trouble, as it was their own places they obviously couldn't be done for some of the CJA rules but were busted for licensing violations and the drugs etc...

unfortunately because of the fallout from this it also means Essex authorities are well on top about any sort of rave...well theres asbos to deal with now, and the guy whos running the werehouse mill uses it as practice rooms for bands so he may well soon be shut down... we used to rent space off of him but we got fucked about so pulled out of there.

[MisterDuck]

think about all the "nice middle class families" where their teenage kids have discovered pills or K and are fine at the weekends but start going psycho on the comedowns or they are dropping out of school/college. I remember this happening amongst my mates in 1991-2 so it must be even worse these days with drugs being cheaper and more easily available.


awww man, my mates lil brother just got done with possession of cannabis, he's 13, n he's tried class a already n shit, its a bit fucked.

but his parents continue to hate him for it, they are conservative to fuck, dont even mention legalise, even tho it wud stop their youngest son gettin into all sorts of shit too big for his boots

i'm optomistic as anythin for the future, there still is a lot of craziness a gwaan on at the moment with people my age more than any. i think that people, me included, dont treat drugs with respect. proper cainin, and to be honest the plur thing is less hippie and more realistic these days i reckon, violence is inevitable and very often i hear "well he/she shouldnt have fuckin done it" in regards to a victim of violence

we have fuckin cops walkin around college area (off site mainly) stoppin people suspected of possesion (trackie bottoms, baggy jeans or dreads basically hahaha)

[JonnyQuest]

I'm fucking fed up with parties being busted all the time! It's really winding me up now! Drove for fucking ages on sat and when we was about 5miles away found out the Wankers (OB) had raided the party!!:head_bang



aye but there was another jsut up the road

[DJCliffy]

aye but there was another jsut up the road

Yeah man there was but that rave felt evil!! I actually felt like i was in a vampire movie at that rave! Didn't feel right for me! :hopeless:

[lilmstrixta]

Yeah man there was but that rave felt evil!! I actually felt like i was in a vampire movie at that rave! Didn't feel right for me! :hopeless:

there is a new hammer horror due to come out thats about vampires at a rave, cant remember what its called though

[lilmstrixta]

Its called beyond the rave
here is the web addy

http://www.beyondtherave.com/