Old bill!

[Ruff Beat Provider]

Anyone go to the party that got closed down by the old bill?

They were proper quick to react! Had a chopper down just atfer the line came out! Then a couple of hours later came running in and surrounded the decks and didn't really give the rig crew a choice! Glad there wasn't a riot or anything!

Does any one know if the rig got out ok or weather the party relocated?

Shame cos that would have been a proper phatty! The rig was huge and there were quite a few people out!

[bluepink_clefairy]

where abouts was this? i was meant to go to one where i live last night but couldnt in the end.

xxx

[Ruff Beat Provider]

Think it was near badford! but to be honest i cant really remember. I didnt sleep the night before so was passed out pretty much the whole way there and whole way back.

[GiantMidget]

yeah i went to that party, that was proper phatt when that chopper flew over! i was buzzing my nut off!! It got relocated afterwards but the OB followed em there!!!

["Sound-Guy"]

i was gonna go, glad i didnt now. Plus i managed to buy a new phone with sum of the money i saved. raaa

[Ruff Beat Provider]

i was gonna go, glad i didnt now. Plus i managed to buy a new phone with sum of the money i saved. raaa

Was wondering where you were all weekend! Shoulda come down briton on friday was comedy as fuck!

["Sound-Guy"]

Was wondering where you were all weekend! Shoulda come down briton on friday was comedy as fuck!

Yeah i know, heard it was a good laugh. Will have to go down and see fran sum time soon me thinks.

[spangle]

shame bout this know sum of the crew n theyr parties are always phat, i wuda bin ther but cudnt get a lift, sounds like they didnt have very much luck this wkend i duno wat happened bout relocating but i think most people ended up moving to a different party not that far away that had no problems wit the police - they said they were allowed 2 carry on!
weird how theyr so hot on it for 1 party but another only half hour away is allowed 2 go on all morning :you_crazy

[GiantMidget]

Bedfordshire police said that they would not allow any parties on their manor
and were gonna seize the rig at the second location. luckily they were persuaded to give the rig some leeway.


We gave those coppers proper abuse when they turned up, proper good fun that was!

Some fella tried to sell this cop some acid and kiss him as well!! well funny!!:crazy_dru

[Sandals]

We gave those coppers proper abuse when they turned up, proper good fun that was!

Some fella tried to sell this cop some acid and kiss him as well!! well funny!!:crazy_dru

Sounds hilarious :you_crazy :rolleyes:

[GiantMidget]

Sounds hilarious :you_crazy :rolleyes:

trust me mate it was! If you had gone you would of had a laugh. First time i'd ever done acid as well, That's an interesting buzz!:hopeless:

["Sound-Guy"]

We gave those coppers proper abuse when they turned up, proper good fun that was!

Some fella tried to sell this cop some acid and kiss him as well!! well funny!!:crazy_dru

To be honest, shit like that just helps the police to be able to shut down partys.

[Sandals]

trust me mate it was! If you had gone you would of had a laugh. First time i'd ever done acid as well, That's an interesting buzz!:hopeless:

Are you still on it, because trust me mate i wasnt being serious. Doing stuff like that never helps anyone .. ever. It's just stupid .. :-/

[spangle]

We gave those coppers proper abuse when they turned up, proper good fun that was!

Some fella tried to sell this cop some acid and kiss him as well!! well funny!!:crazy_dru

tempting as it mite be its stuff like that which makes em take action, wen people just giv them abuse all its gonna do is wind em up n make em take action - they cant retaliate by swearing back or throwin a punch so instead theyl nick people n try to seize the rig n next time theyr called to a party theyr gonna go in wit that attitude

[Digital-A]

Are you still on it, because trust me mate i wasnt being serious. Doing stuff like that never helps anyone .. ever. It's just stupid .. :-/

agreed

[GiantMidget]

Are you still on it, because trust me mate i wasnt being serious. Doing stuff like that never helps anyone .. ever. It's just stupid .. :-/
Jesus mate chill out, had you been there you would of seen that the abuse wasn't that bad!!!! We had a good chat with the coppers bout the banter that went on and they know it's part of their job, There were no arrests and they let us go peacefully, It's only when cunts throw shit at em that sets em off and that didn't happen!

[Sandals]

We gave those coppers proper abuse when they turned up, proper good fun that was!

Some fella tried to sell this cop some acid and kiss him as well!! well funny!!:crazy_dru

Jesus mate chill out, had you been there you would of seen that the abuse wasn't that bad!!!! We had a good chat with the coppers bout the banter that went on and they know it's part of their job, There were no arrests and they let us go peacefully, It's only when cunts throw shit at em that sets em off and that didn't happen!

Retract. much.

I just don't think you get it, at all.

[GiantMidget]

Whatever mate lets agree to disagree. The bottom line is i had fun that nite and nothings gonna change that so we'll leave it at that ok. :wink:

[MrAHC]

Most police are reasonable people, if you treat them like dicks they will quickly become unreasonable. Greet them with a smile and take on bored what they say at the end of the day there in charge and you dont own the rig!

If it was your equipment and liberty on the line I think you would have a different attitude!

[Playground Politics]

bit like the CID person who told me to stop pissing on the side of a street.....................so i did, altho if i was half way into it, it woulda been a different story

[feedyourheadspace]

Most OB are fascist cunts and should be treated as such at every opportunity.They pick on soft targets like Ethnic minorities and drug users, whilst letting gun runners, people traffickers and corporate criminals get away scot free. Look at the history of police miscariages of justice against the Irish etc. Now they cry cause they have to fill in forms. Well if they didn't have a history of corruption it wouldn't be necesary for them to do that to cover themselves and be accountable. Obviously there is the odd decent copper among them but generally they are bullying scum.

[General Lighting]

some of what feedyourheadspace is sometimes true (particularly if going by experiences on the 80s/early90s activist scene ) and 15-20 years ago I would have agreed with him 100% - but these days I'd say that cops in SE and Eastern England are just cynical and socially conservative than actually fascist.

there's a lot more women and ethnic minorities in old bill today, as well as ex-office/IT workers who lost jobs in the 2001 dot com crash (hence the reason cops are better at monitoring forums), and they are often motivated to act by what they see are the excesses of hedonistic lifestyles....

[Tek Offensive]

this is pretty sexist, but i really dislike most female coppers, they seem to have something to prove and go out of their way to get you for something, but then thats probably just my expirience.

[MrAHC]

If you want to pick fights with the police theres a time and a place not at a free party.
Years ago I'd of agreed with you, now I have ex coppers and the odd serving copper as friends. An ex copper I know runs the local music festival where I live. A Norfolk copper I know through work was against busting the raves in Norfolk.

If your putting partys and festivals on its better IMO to work with the police than against them.

[feedyourheadspace]

I don't mean to sound too militant, maybe it is the 80's/90's hangover, but speaking from my local experience of the last few years, the OB round here are exactly what I said. They are totally over the top, frequently provoking reactions from people by filming them, or hanging around places where there might be flare ups and then arresting people for swearing or small things like that. On the other hand if you report a burglary for example do you think they will come out and investigate-no chance. I know the laws are crap and don't help but we are quickly heading for a police-state and if we don't take a stand by partying on they will eventually purge us all. Overload their systems with small misdemenaours and they will eventually have to leave us alone.

[General Lighting]

this is pretty sexist, but i really dislike most female coppers, they seem to have something to prove and go out of their way to get you for something, but then thats probably just my expirience.

a lot of them do actually join up because they have had trouble with deadbeat male partners and its a way of getting power back at blokes

the other side of it is also why the male coppers often go for the girls at riot situations as its a way of getting back at the more feisty female officers (particularly in higher ranks)

when some of my friends used to listen to radio scanner you would also pick up on the gender and hierarchy politics between the cops

thats probably why the Home Office poured about a billion into the airwaves digital radio project...

[General Lighting]

On the other hand if you report a burglary for example do you think they will come out and investigate-no chance.
often because they are overwhelmed with petty crimes caused by people who couldn't self-regulate their drug use, from a drug culture set up in the 1980s.


I know the laws are crap and don't help but we are quickly heading for a police-state and if we don't take a stand by partying on they will eventually purge us all. Overload their systems with small misdemenaours and they will eventually have to leave us alone.
or we will end up with a gendarmerie like what foreign nations have, or situations like what I seem to regularly see going on in Denmark.

I think the problem with ravers is they haven't exactly got the moral high ground these days, and some can be proven to be involved in other crimes such as vehicle theft/burglary. the cops pick up on this because their filming and surveillance makes it easier for them to identify and judge who is who at raves.

OTOH I bet that if the cops had steamed in to something like todays climate change protests or sizewell protest with the same level of force used against raves (I appreciate there are scuffles still but these protests do actually seem to be tolerated a bit more!) there would still be at least a local if not national outcry, even from people who aren't exactly eco-warriors.

the bigger problem is ravers are increasingly seen as mere hedonists who put little else back into society, and when given a bit of freedom or tolerance have abused it. The nature of the crowds at raves has changed, its increasingly a male-dominated crowd with a lot of simmering anger and resentment and less "loved-up" feelings. Worse, there seem to be a lot of people around with mental problems/personality disorders exacerbated by the use of some drugs (particularly ketamine) and who started off as party drug users on the rave scene.

we have after all had 20 years to sort some of the problems out and they are still not being addressed. so why shouldn't the rest of society (and I don't just mean the old bill!) want to see illegal raves stopped?

Incidentally I think PC Ketamine and Sargeant Smack, as well as Detective Chief Inspector Rig Politics are doing a far better job of slowly destroying alternative culture than any riot squad could ever do.

[MrAHC]

I think the problem with ravers is they haven't exactly got the moral high ground these days, and some can be proven to be involved in other crimes such as vehicle theft/burglary. the cops pick up on this because their filming and surveillance makes it easier for them to identify and judge who is who at raves.



the bigger problem is ravers are increasingly seen as mere hedonists who put little else back into society, and when given a bit of freedom or tolerance have abused it. The nature of the crowds at raves has changed, its increasingly a male-dominated crowd with a lot of simmering anger and resentment and less "loved-up" feelings. Worse, there seem to be a lot of people around with mental problems/personality disorders exacerbated by the use of some drugs (particularly ketamine) and who started off as party drug users on the rave scene.

we have after all had 20 years to sort some of the problems out and they are still not being addressed. so why shouldn't the rest of society (and I don't just mean the old bill!) want to see illegal raves stopped?

Incidentally I think PC Ketamine and Sargeant Smack, as well as Detective Chief Inspector Rig Politics are doing a far better job of slowly destroying alternative culture than any riot squad could ever do.

On that note I think its about time we cleared our own back yard up.

[feedyourheadspace]

we will end up with a gendarmerie like what foreign nations have
I spent time in Belgium where they have this and yes you don't mess with them as they are armed and very violent and not accountable. Basically if they bash your head in, you have no-one to complain to. They used to love hanging around clubs and nicking people. The interesting thing is that Belgians had loads of ways of avoiding them and getting one over on them for all their 'power'.
bigger problem is ravers are increasingly seen as mere hedonists who put little else back into society
what pisses me off is that when celebs behave like this they get away with it and are lauded for it, yet ordinary people looking for a bit of relief from daily drudgery are criminalised, and coralled into pub/restaurant, basically 'straight'culture. The reason they don't like us is that we have seen another better way of having fun and drugs help us to see straight through the politicians and police bullshit. Dancing the night away is an ancient tribal event humans have been enyoing for milenia. Who the fuck gave these poshed up pricks the right to order us about and control what we want to do. The people who create these laws are the same ones who 'get into bed' with peadophilic oil magnates and arms dealers who pedlle death and destruction to thousands, and then complain about a couple of hundred ravers who may leave a bit of a mess. It's all bollocks. 'Fuck em and their law'

[GiantMidget]

Mate you're spot on i completely agree with ya!!

[General Lighting]

what pisses me off is that when celebs behave like this they get
away with it and are lauded for it,

is this really still the case? someone like Pete Doherty would have got away with more 10 years ago, (and I think the britpop lot did) now such celebs are being constantly stalked by papparazi, exposed as fairly pathetic and dysfunctional individuals and judged and villified, even by other drug users. there is far more media scrutiny of celebrity lifestyles than ever before.

Who the fuck gave these poshed up pricks the right to order us about and control what we want to do. The people who create these laws are the same ones who 'get into bed' with peadophilic oil magnates and arms dealers who pedlle death and destruction to thousands, and then complain about a couple of hundred ravers who may leave a bit of a mess.


its not just "poshed up pricks" but normal members of society, including people our age and some who may even have once been ravers who are turning against us. these normal people may not create the law but they help reinforce it every time they pick up the phone and dial 999 because they don't agree with a rave happening.

TBH I think the real toffs don't even care as they are doing more drugs than what we are.

As recently as 6-7 years ago raves weren't seen as major social problems or crimes, despite the fact more happened and they were bigger. Now it seems they are being lumped in with the same yob activity of pissheads etc...

After July's "riot-rave" in Suffolk, one which was in a remote forest and caused little problems other than a bit of noise, a poll in my local paper still showed that half the locals wanted more action against raves [even after most of my mates had voted for "raves not causing problems!"] This was despite it clearly being spelled out in black and white (and some photos) that 100 riot cops from 3 forces have shut it down. My local paper isn't exactly a "toffs paper" either.

One comment on the report (in response to all the people saying the rave was OK) said

"they (the ravers) were on private property. Police took action to remove them from this property. There should be no further debate".
These are the attitudes we are up against.

the problem with places like this is everyone is preaching to the choir - those who don't support free parties are hardly likely to post here (although they may look for any info they can use against the scene!).

Its as much a "hearts and minds" battle and I fear ravers are losing this at the moment. maybe things can change but I don't think there are easy answers.

[MrAHC]

Its as much a "hearts and minds" battle and I fear ravers are losing this at the moment. maybe things can change but I don't think there are easy answers.
Totaly agree with that one