Ketamine: The Real Health Impact!

[General Lighting]

I've been hearing all sorts of horror stories about K recently, stuff like permanent incontinence and infertility occuring in previously healthy males and females aged 18-40 - the sort of diseases that people in geriatric care suffer from...

This seems a bit unbelievable - although I am not a medical professional I do work in the healthcare industry and understand some of the medical stuff,

does anyone have links to any actual case reports so we can all see how true these claims are? I suspect its merely the effect of chronic K use on peoples insides and it is reversible but the psychological addiction factor to K plus its analgesic makes people ignore signals from their own body..

[starlaugh]

Been searching about and have had no luck at the moment....

Even searched for any information on it in the journals that we cover at work. There have been a few articles on Ketamine but nothing on the damage it causes your body.

[General Lighting]

Hmm - Maybe the NHS National Treatment Agency is only just picking up on these cases being referred from local GPs in the last 2-3 years and it takes time for the info to filter through.

I suppose in this case its not so much spin or delaying tactics but safeguards to protect patient confidentiality etc...

[starlaugh]

20-year-old man developed an acute dystonic reaction following the selfadministrationof ketamine. The episode resolved upon treatment with ch'phenhydramine. Dystonia is an unusual toxic effect of ketamine abuse; potential mechanisms for its occurrence in this instance are discussed.

[Felser JM, Orban DJ: Dystonic reaction after ketamine abuse. Ann Emerg Med 11:673-675, December 1982.]

INTRODUCTION

Ketamine, an intravenous general anesthetic chemically related to phencyclidine,has recently gained attention because of its abuse potential, especially on the West Coast. 1 We report a case of drag-induced dystonia that occurred after the self-administration of ketamine. Dystonia is an unusual adverse effect of ketamine, and mechanisms possibly responsible in this instance are discussed.

CASE REPORT

A 20-year-old man self-administered 0.5 cc of ketamine intravenously. Syringes, needles, and ketamine were obtained from a nearby veterinary hospital. No other drugs were concomitantly administered, and the patient had used ketamine before. Ten hours later, the patient presented to the UCLA Emergency Medicine Center after noting five episodes of sustained abnormal tongue and neck movements that interfered with speech. The last of these began one hour prior to arrival. At no time was generalized motor activity or loss of consciousness noted. The patient denied history of previous neurologic abnormalities.

Physical examination revealed an anxious but healthy-appearing man who was afebrile with stable vital signs including temperature, 37 C; blood pressure, 140/90 mm Hg; pulse, 86; and a respiratory rate of 18. Neurologic exam revealed equal and reactive pupils at 5 ram. The tongue was protruded and deviated to the left side and the neck was held in extension while deviated to the left. The patient was unable to speak, yet he was alert and able to communicate in writing. Deep tendon reflexes were 2+ and symmetric throughout; plantar responses were flexor bilaterally.

Serum chemistry studies included sodium, 140; potassium, 4.4; chloride, 107; bicarbonate, 24~ glucose, 108; BUN, 22; and calcium, 9.5. Urinalysis was unremarkable. A dystonic reaction was diagnosed and diphenhydramine 50mg was administered intravenously, resulting in complete resolution of the episode within three minutes. No recurrence of dystonia occurred during four hours of observation. The patient was completely asymptomatic for one month following the episode, after which he was lost to follow-up.


A bit from a medical report of someone not sounding too good from using Ketamine in 1982, gonna keep looking though as i have just remembered somewhere else i can look

:groucho:

[General Lighting]

I've just heard one of my friends from my old partying days is now in hospital with pancreatitis believed to be caused by long-term ketamine use (well he must have been caning it fairly constantly for 5-6 years).

I think his girlfriend has also been unwell because of this.

He is waiting to hear from the hospital as to the extent of this condtion. He is exactly 12 years younger then me, and could at worst-case be suffering various permanent medical problems for the rest of his days.

Ketamine is turning out to be far nastier stuff than many initially suspected..

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=276

[the1log]

Looks like I picked a good week to stop doing the stuff.

TBH I think everyone knew that K was gonna fuck up your insides its just its taken a long time for the answers to surface.

Hope your mates ok by the way GL

[globalloon]

sorry to hear about your mate, GL

you need your pancreas and only have one :crazy:

[SD]

Then you hear some of the stories I hear about people cutting liquid k with hairspray so it cooks up more powder...

Friend of mine poured 9 litres down the drain when he heard an ambulance siren thinking it was the police... Apparently he fished it back out of the sewer and cooked it up again...:yakk:

Moral of the story is... be careful where you source your K
:love:

[MisterDuck]

sorry to hear bout that GL

i've never touched k... it doesn't appeal to me for a few reasons

1. the effects... as a party drug from what i've seen i'd rather stick to ecstasy

2. i dont particularly like snortin things often. i have done before, but it's definitely not my favourite way of takin any drug. btw, does k corrode your nose like cocaine?

3. it's addictive and i got an addictive personality

but, i wouldn't never touch it. are these effects from long-term use? like, tryin it and havin it every now and again won't do much harm will it?

[globalloon]

moderation is the key

can you keep it moderate? and is what you think is moderate use, really moderate? these are the things we must ask ourselves :wink:

[rach]

Friend of mine poured 9 litres down the drain when he heard an ambulance siren thinking it was the police... Apparently he fished it back out of the sewer and cooked it up again...:yakk:

:laugh_at: haha thats a man with a love for his ket... or just sheer paranoia of sirens!


but, i wouldn't never touch it.

i said that a couple of years ago, but whenever i say that about anything it always goes out the window...

ive yet to see physical health impacts with my friends, but given time i'm sure it will come... but with my friends who use it regularly i can see strong impacts on their mind, those who are trying to cut back on how much they have are finding it very hard to do, and others have terrible paranoia, and the worst short-term memorys ever!

i still love the stuff though, just keep it to the weekend and know when to say no

[SD]

[/center]

:laugh_at: haha thats a man with a love for his ket... or just sheer paranoia of sirens!



Nah thats just a dealer in a K hole lol

[General Lighting]

i said that a couple of years ago, but whenever i say that about anything it always goes out the window...

ive yet to see physical health impacts with my friends, but given time i'm sure it will come... but with my friends who use it regularly i can see strong impacts on their mind, those who are trying to cut back on how much they have are finding it very hard to do, and others have terrible paranoia, and the worst short-term memorys ever!

i still love the stuff though, just keep it to the weekend and know when to say no

I avoided it myself for many years or so then became an occasional user mostly "because all my mates did it". Even then I prefer other experiences.

The problem though isn't so much K but also the binge culture, and people constantly chasing "a new high". When my mate first started regularly doing it it was about 6 years ago, and people started doing it because they had already got bad experiences off pills/amfet from caning too much, and initially K doesn't have as much of a comedown.

I think when people are doing anything midweek its a bad sign, and although this sounds really "capitalist/mainstream" I feel the discipline of normal work (not necessarily working for a corporate, but some sort of work where you can't get away with being trashed every day) is one of the things what holds you together during the week and makes the weekend worthwhile (and this comes from someone who was caning it every few days at one stage in his life!)

[rach]

I think when people are doing anything midweek its a bad sign, and although this sounds really "capitalist/mainstream" I feel the discipline of normal work (not necessarily working for a corporate, but some sort of work where you can't get away with being trashed every day) is one of the things what holds you together during the week and makes the weekend worthwhile (and this comes from someone who was caning it every few days at one stage in his life!)

definatly, if i know i didnt have to get up everyday for work i'm pretty sure i'd get myself into a bit of a mess really, which is why its a very good thing for me to no longer be a student! i just live for the weekends, and spend monday to friday planning them!

[globalloon]

I think when people are doing anything midweek its a bad sign, and although this sounds really "capitalist/mainstream" I feel the discipline of normal work (not necessarily working for a corporate, but some sort of work where you can't get away with being trashed every day) is one of the things what holds you together during the week and makes the weekend worthwhile (and this comes from someone who was caning it every few days at one stage in his life!)

i agree. if you don't do anything productive, why should anyone care when you fart your liver out and fall down half dead?

by productive I don't mean anything 'corporate / capitalist' either... you could be making earthenware cooking pots, painting or making music... as long as you work hard at it and follow your dreams, not let your life become a bad dream

[General Lighting]

I found this fairly recent article today (it is referenced in a Wikipedia article).

This is a link to a pressrel aimed at non-medical professionals. I have also attached the report (which is rather more complicated) for those who are interested or may understand more of it than I do..

http://www.hkmj.org/earlyrelease/0708ea1.HTM

Perhaps the Hong Kong medical professionals should contact their counterparts in Great Britain, as I am sure from what I am hearing (albeit only from my friends and acquaintances bemoaning various illnesses) that people are presenting with similar symptoms here as well...

[mrindeed]

Do you remember Justin Grayer who came on here asking for participants for a study he was doing on his thesis about ketamine use last summer?

I actually took part in this study as i fell into the group of people who have tried drugs excluding k...

I would be very interested to see his results if he is still about....

[General Lighting]

I believe Justin is still processing his data, with a view to public release at the end of this year (after his assesments etc)

http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23821

[mrindeed]

Thanks GL :)

[classbhero]

my mate used to kain ketamine (TBH the nutter probably still does, ive moved on in friend group) and he ended up with ulcers all in his stomach and so did his mate who was bang on it to, he used to have to drink litres of water and then throw it all back up to de-acidify his stomach..... he looked a state sometimes..... wierd dude.

[MisterDuck]

[/center]

i said that a couple of years ago, but whenever i say that about anything it always goes out the window...


it was a kinda double negative - i probably will end up touchin it is what i meant, even tho not now

[rach]

it was a kinda double negative - i probably will end up touchin it is what i meant, even tho not now

oh yeh sorry mate, my bad, didnt read it properly!

[MisterDuck]

:weee: gonna take a while before i do anythin - have to take some time out after this weekend :groucho:

[vickerly]

so would i be an addict if i work full time yet have a coupla lines in the eve? i dont smoke so to me i just use it like a stoner might smoke a joint of an eve...

[Playground Politics]

so would i be an addict if i work full time yet have a coupla lines in the eve? i dont smoke so to me i just use it like a stoner might smoke a joint of an eve...

only u can tell us if ur addicted, we cant tell u

[Raj]

so would i be an addict if i work full time yet have a coupla lines in the eve? i dont smoke so to me i just use it like a stoner might smoke a joint of an eve...
The question is can you get through the evening without it?

Give it a try and find out - if you are addicted you cant get through a day without it as a general rule. If you get through the day but are twitchy and unsettled it may be time to take a long hard look at your relationship with ketamine - you are depending on it to be able to cope with life and thats an addiction in my book.

[Playground Politics]

The question is can you get through the evening without it?

Give it a try and find out - if you are addicted you cant get through a day without it as a general rule. If you get through the day but are twitchy and unsettled it may be time to take a long hard look at your relationship with ketamine - you are depending on it to be able to cope with life and thats an addiction in my book.
i do normally agree with u, but i dont think this is true, i think ppl who deny being an addict know they are lying to them selves, in ur heart of heart u should know. such as im addicted to cheesy chips with garlic mayonaisse, and when i do think about them i need to get them, buuutt, i can forget about them

[Tocooltom]

Only the user themselves can know if they are addicted, many addicts refuse to beleive they r addicted because they think they cud give it up any time and do it everyday "just for fun", when realy they are in denial about the fact they know they are addicted but they dont want to admit it.:you_crazy

All a bit confusing dunt u think!:crazy_diz

[SD]

I need to have a break from it, ive been getting up to avereging 3-4 gs a day...
My liver aches/my pancreas/my bladder is fucked... it aint good for your insides girls and boys..:yakk:

[spangle]

I need to have a break from it, ive been getting up to avereging 3-4 gs a day...
My liver aches/my pancreas/my bladder is fucked... it aint good for your insides girls and boys..:yakk:

how long u bin doin that 4? ive done the same kinda amount 4 about a year n a half n definitely do find after a period were ive cained it a lot it fucks ur stomach - the cramps are the worst pain!

good thing is tho that these side affects do go away if u stop/cut down to a sensible level - u jus gotta make sure u actually do giv ur body a chance to sort itself out if ur feelin like that

[Playground Politics]

I need to have a break from it, ive been getting up to avereging 3-4 gs a day...
My liver aches/my pancreas/my bladder is fucked... it aint good for your insides girls and boys..:yakk:
i hope u dont have a donor card :wink:

im actually lying i hope u do, ppl need organs (they make wicked psychedilc rock.......................................lame)

actually i need to go on to organ donor and get me self a card

[SD]

They wouldnt take my organs anyway I dont think, I kow I cant give blood.....

Because i 'have had homosexual sex' lol... Also being EXIVDU rules me out..

[Playground Politics]

Because i 'have had homosexual sex' lol... Also being EXIVDU rules me out..

true we dont want to damage our "perfect gene pool!", stupid bloody government

whats EXIVDU?

[SD]

Ex Intravenous Drug User lol

[sirstonealot]

moderation is the key

can you keep it moderate? and is what you think is moderate use, really moderate? these are the things we must ask ourselves :wink:
you said it

SWIM (somone who isnt me) has used K enough and hit many a K hole, but to be honest SWIM just don't enjoy it all that much.

SWIM finds K always leaves him feeling like shit, but then SWIM has always been more of a stimulant guy.

[ro-ro]

i hope u dont have a donor card :wink:

im actually lying i hope u do, ppl need organs (they make wicked psychedilc rock.......................................lame)

actually i need to go on to organ donor and get me self a card

U can sometimes still donate your corneas. My aunt had cancer in her whole body but she could still give her corneas. They can give sight to 4 people on average

[JonnyQuest]

i fancy trying ket, up me snozz, how addictive is it in comparison to say coke?

[goatboyy]

OK Here is my Thoughts on Ketamine
And i have had alot of use with this drug and i only quit a month ago.. I have lost Many friends because of K.

Please note: Ketamine Makes ANYTHING Terrible, Drugs to AVOID while on K: Weed, Lsd, Alcohol

Ketamine is WRONG.

Ketamine Is an ARTIFICIAL "HIGH"

- Altho, I would not dub this a High. I would call it Apocalyptic.

Ketamine was made in the last 30 years, properbly by some very manipulative people in a secret society that knew that this would destroy peoples brains and peoples bodies and fade out any people seeking true enlightment.

K is fuckin terrible,

K makes u piss blood,

K makes you stupid,

K makes you a victim

K is dangerous,

K is not of this planet,

K has got a bad agenda

K will fuck you over

K will destroy you.

K is ruining the rave scene

K is adding towards FEAR.

[Playground Politics]

OK Here is my Thoughts on Ketamine
And i have had alot of use with this drug and i only quit a month ago.. I have lost Many friends because of K.

Please note: Ketamine Makes ANYTHING Terrible, Drugs to AVOID while on K: Weed, Lsd, Alcohol

Ketamine is WRONG.

Ketamine Is an ARTIFICIAL "HIGH"

- Altho, I would not dub this a High. I would call it Apocalyptic.

Ketamine was made in the last 30 years, properbly by some very manipulative people in a secret society that knew that this would destroy peoples brains and peoples bodies and fade out any people seeking true enlightment.

K is fuckin terrible,

K makes u piss blood,

K makes you stupid,

K makes you a victim

K is dangerous,

K is not of this planet,

K has got a bad agenda

K will fuck you over

K will destroy you.

K is ruining the rave scene

K is adding towards FEAR.

k gives u paranoia, as we see in what u said

[d.r.e.a.m]

i realy like the stuff personaly but as ive seen reading this thred the stuff definatly should be done in moderation as i do with the stuff i.e. if im at a party then the corner of a 20p peice up each nostrill gives me a nice happy soft kinda buzz good with pills!its just when you start caining it is when you gota worry a mate of mine has been doing so for quite a while now and suffers bad k cramps (ive never had these befor so dont no what there like) which puts him in loadsa pain and last hours to!what i say is small amounts so you dont end up a dribbling mess and every now an then..enjoy any way its a bit like marmite you either love it or hate it...lol..:crazy_dru

[Diceface]

Ketamine is addictive in a completely different way to cocaine. it all depends on what kind of person you are. Cocaine is addictive in the way that it makes you more confident and more social, it makes you look good on the outside world and will give you an energy boost (a bit like the same reason people drink coffee everday), so someone who relys on cocaine may find it very hard to get by without it in social situations, people dont get hooked on cocaine itself, they get hooked on the type of person it turns them into (the superhuman!).
Ketamine is addictive to the kind of person who enjoys escaping from his/her daily routines/relationships, at the right doses it will take you into a completely different dimension and the exterior world will completely dissapear, you will be floating around in your own dreams/fantasies(literaly!) once you have discovered 'the k hole' it impossible to ever forget about the experience you had, ketamine also brings no comedown(infact the opposite, it will make you feel special,refreshed, and spiritual) if you enjoyed this experience it all comes down to how easy/cheap it is to get hold of ketamine and on how mentaly strong they are. remember 'ket addicts' are not addicted to ketamine itself THEY ARE ADDICTED TO THE SPECIAL PLACE KETAMINE TAKES THEM TO.

so in my opinion, to me, ketamine is a hell of alot more addictive than cocaine as it will take to places you never thought existed and if you fall in love with these places, your screwed!

Moderation is key with everything.

[Digital-A]

but with my friends who use it regularly i can see strong impacts on their mind, those who are trying to cut back on how much they have are finding it very hard to do, and others have terrible paranoia, and the worst short-term memorys ever!


who are we talking about here my darling? :laugh_at:

[GiantMidget]

I'm knocking Ketamine on the head now. I'm getting flashbacks from saturday now and what i'm seeing is not good! Apparently and i actually remember this a little bit now, i kept collapsing and my mates said they thought i was Od'ing!
Fuck doing this shit if thats what i'm gonna be like, Gonna still do mud but K can Fuck right off now! :wink:

[JonnyQuest]

I'm knocking Ketamine on the head now. I'm getting flashbacks from saturday now and what i'm seeing is not good! Apparently and i actually remember this a little bit now, i kept collapsing and my mates said they thought i was Od'ing!
Fuck doing this shit if thats what i'm gonna be like, Gonna still do mud but K can Fuck right off now! :wink:

but what abour the muddy k:wink:

[GiantMidget]

but what abour the muddy k:wink:

Sorry man but thats the thing that fucked me up. Collapsed on the weekend cos of it! Ruined me weekend it did!:cry:

[SamowareZ]

i have been to the extremes with k many a time...
i went to india for a month and you can buy it over the counter at chemists in liquid or powder form, its like £25 quid for 10 grams of the most potent shit ive ever had (i smuggled some back into england and showed my mates they were like wtf this is strong)

i have taken it wayyy to far and regretted it (hence the term regretamine)

but i still say that once in a while is fine like at partys and shit just not kaning it all the time

once i was really ketamised and had a wrap with like 3 g's in it and was too k'd to rack up lines so i stuck the snooty in the wrap... big mistake...
i collapsed in the middle of a nightclub in goa
my brother had to carry me home
i was hallucinating like never before worse than the times ive done acid, i thought i was a spirit floating around in space i didnt even know i was human or about planet earth or anything
oh yeah i think thats because i was pissed aswell (DONT DO THAT)
big mistake lol

[Diceface]

yeeh gettin drunk and snortin bare k isnt gud isit. u can be garanteed to make an arse of urself. you completely loose control and it doesnt ware off till youve had a few good hours kip!

[process]

K=shit. oh great ive got a stonkin cold for the next week well that was fucking great.:crazy_diz

[quietRIOT]

such as im addicted to cheesy chips with garlic mayonaisse, and when i do think about them i need to get them, buuutt, i can forget about them



:crazy_dru Yuk!

[cucukshow]

it is lies som of that above. i has done many time but still no problem of health at alll

som poeple is jus make up a lies!!!

[Friction.TV]

If you want to hear someone speak quite frankly about ketamine, including personal experiences go and have a look at these videos...

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3343

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3345

These videos were made by a man named Dave Eggins who was recently featured in The Guardian talking about his own struggles with ketamine.

Very interesting and worth a watch!

[Digital-A]

If you want to hear someone speak quite frankly about ketamine, including personal experiences go and have a look at these videos...

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3343

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3345

These videos were made by a man named Dave Eggins who was recently featured in The Guardian talking about his own struggles with ketamine.

Very interesting and worth a watch!

I read his article in the newspaper and his case seems a very extreme one ... good viewing though ...

I found his article much better ... in his videos he just seems to ramble ...

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2275257,00.html

[process]

I read his article in the newspaper and his case seems a very extreme one ... good viewing though ...

I found his article much better ... in his videos he just seems to ramble ...

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2275257,00.html

Good article that. Although it is a bit of a scare story it still offers a balanced view and he's not screaming for tougher laws on it eithier...

[JonnyQuest]

i have major trouble finding the stuff round here and that certainly stops me getting adiiccted

[process]

i have major trouble finding the stuff round here and that certainly stops me getting adiiccted

ditto and when i do its really expensive compared to daan saaf.

[GiantMidget]

K is in abundance round here. I don't really like it now. ruins your buzz imo :love:

[process]

K is in abundance round here. I don't really like it now. ruins your buzz imo :love:

link? ; )

[redneck]

dont know if this has been posted already
http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf (http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf)

[Acidfairy]

dont know if this has been posted already
http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf (http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf)

Yup it has.. here http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=137701&postcount=16

on page 2 of this thread :weee:

[Benzo]

in abundance


K-hole

[redneck]

Yup it has.. here http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=137701&postcount=16

on page 2 of this thread :weee:
oops, wasnt paying attention

[starlaugh]

there are loads of studies that I have read regarding the damage caused by recreational Ketamine use... Cystitis caused by K is something they are worried about and also K-Cramps as they don't quite understand them or how to stop them

[padmakara]

Sorry for the double post, I just wanted to post here instead of the other thread, so:
Personally, I wonder if the K cramps are caused by nor-ketamine moreso than ketamine itself.

The severe ones were dramatic, writhing pain on a level 9 or 10. I only received them three occasions when my blood level of K was high from constant (2-3g nasal/day) use and then hit a high dose of oral K (how high? anyone's guess... couple grams at least I don't really measure.) The cramps happened at exactly the 12 hour point post ingestion.... awakening me from sleep.

I'm happy to say that I rid myself of a virtually endless supply of the stuff because I was losing it after six months of daily usage, morning til night. I attempted to use it to control chronic pain. At first I always dosed oral cause I wanted the longest lasting effects possible. I'd carry a liter of water around spiked with it sippin on it all day. This lasted a couple weeks with no noticable side effects (actually felt better than I have in YEARS)... then some abdominal cramping developed, enough to make me switch to the nasal pathway.

Big mistake, as low dose K is far more addictive this way since you have to bump so often. After fooling around with using it once or twice daily for a few weeks, I kept noticing that the comedown would immediatly cause pain to come back that I was treating with the K... especially cause I would use the K as a crutch for any heavy lifting/hard work I had to do that I normally couldn't do cause of pain. Point being, I worked up to several grams a day.

I could hit 500mg and only get buzzed. Of course, my nose began bleeding so often this couldn't last long. So I got myself some needles.

Well damn, wouldn't you know, when your ass and thighs are so bruised from IM injections you can barely walk, and a good 800-1000mg dose it what it takes to feel 'normal' (not paranoid, thoughts racing, insanity feeling) you've got yourself a real problem. After missing and missing my veins (I kept going all the way through damn it) and injecting four full 1000mg syringes as fast as I can and snortin some to boot... I found myself just begging God for release. For anything, help me fight this demon. I resolved to flush my remainder in the ocean (an insult to the ocean yes but its power is certainly far more profound than K's is.)

End of the story 6 months later: At first I never craved it. I have started again recently. It greatly increased my daily paranoia level.... I've started taking 5-6 ativans daily since to cope with it. All physical changes seem gone, the burning while urinating, etc... except I think I have a diminished sense of smell (is it my imagination? my nose always seems so dry and stuffy now, not like before). Unfortunately, I do have access to it again and, well.... no... not yet. Today's not the day... not quite yet....:crazy_diz

Now, let us take this a bit farther. The pain I was treating with K was Dystonia pain... a different dystonia than the guy in the article cited earlier in the thread, but dystonia nonetheless. I developed this pain with a slow onset beginning shortly after binging on DXM several dozen times.

I'm not sayin its connected, but there it is for you folks. I never told any docs about my drug use.:crazy:

Oh, and as to the subject of cuts, polyethylene glycol has been used in some instances.

[Milkyway]

Nah thats just a dealer in a K hole lol

oh that made me laugh :bounce_fl

[thedjcretin]

on a random one bout the subject of the wonk - i went to a club on the weekend and witnessed what i consider is the bad side of K (apart from health issues). I can see what people are saying when they ask - is K killing the club/party scene..? cause if the crowd had been filmed i swear anyone would say its a room full of special people. now i have always stood in wobbles favour and still do to a certain extent (like everything in moderation sort of thing...) but i couldn't help feelin a bit surprised that so many people were havin to be held up by like 3 other people and people were falling over everywhere, you may think i'm exaggerating but really - i go to loadsa partys of all types but this seemed a bit too messy for the start of a club night... its what you'd expect to see on the 3rd day of a mega party..
who knows, maybe i'm just jealous :crazy:
it opened a little debate in my own head anyways! Basically i stand by the everything in moderation moto, even tho obviously everyones gone a bit too far once or twice or thrice....:crazy_diz !!

[cliffchuff]

wow been away time!

hello all from the distant and murky, been networking with some K professionals and though i copy a post I made on another forum here for info.

Hi all,

recently met a lovely lady from Bristol at the NX conference, been emailing her and a urologist following the Ketamine article in DDN the other month.

Got some references/papers and heres the lowdown.

Ketamine causes damage to the bladder and urinary tract, its an irritant (though as a dissociative you may not notice the pain or irritation while using)

general signs of problems present as urinary tract infections, if you are a ketamine user and have any sort of urinary problems get them checked, be aware the urologist may not have a clue, tests will show negative or sterile for infection thats because its not an infection its irritation!

antibiotics will not work, though while you are on them you might use less which can relieve symptoms.

damage to the bladder cause scarring or toughening of the bladder walls, this reduces elasticity meaning you need to pee more, some people have presented with bladders the size of a squash ball this can be treated in early stages by stretching the bladder and in later stages by transplanting tissue from elsewhere (the gut for example) if the bladder is full urine can back up to the kidneys; this is fucking painful please don't take more ketamine for the pain seek medical assistance and tell them you have used ketamine.

sings of problems can be frequent pissing (every ten minutes) painfull pissing, passing blood in the urine or signs of infection (be aware you might have an infection if you have been sexually active).

there have been seven papers on this globally in the last year, prior to this no interest medically as recreational Ketamine was under the radar but I know many peeps who had this sort of problem in the early 90's (self included) fuck laying in a bath of water just so I could relax and not stress about pissing razorblades every ten minutes.

If you have any sort of urinary problems please post or Pm me and I can put you in touch with a specialist.

Chuff

Ketamine-Associated Ulcerative Cystitis: A New Clinical Entity (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VJW-4NN6N6B-4&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=4896ee5608b1f6be0c3dfea04d94b488)

Cystitis due to the use of ketamine as a recreational drug: a case report (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2443371)

The destruction of the lower urinary tract by ketamine abuse: a new syndrome? (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18680495)

Obstructive nephropathy and kidney injury associated with ketamine abuse (http://ndtplus.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/extract/1/5/310)

[JamZandwich]

i was hooked on ketamine..
its amazing how the bladder heals itself if you take a long healthy break from the stuff..

[JamZandwich]

wow been away time!

hello all from the distant and murky, been networking with some K professionals and though i copy a post I made on another forum here for info.

Hi all,

recently met a lovely lady from Bristol at the NX conference, been emailing her and a urologist following the Ketamine article in DDN the other month.

Got some references/papers and heres the lowdown.

Ketamine causes damage to the bladder and urinary tract, its an irritant (though as a dissociative you may not notice the pain or irritation while using)

general signs of problems present as urinary tract infections, if you are a ketamine user and have any sort of urinary problems get them checked, be aware the urologist may not have a clue, tests will show negative or sterile for infection thats because its not an infection its irritation!

antibiotics will not work, though while you are on them you might use less which can relieve symptoms.

damage to the bladder cause scarring or toughening of the bladder walls, this reduces elasticity meaning you need to pee more, some people have presented with bladders the size of a squash ball this can be treated in early stages by stretching the bladder and in later stages by transplanting tissue from elsewhere (the gut for example) if the bladder is full urine can back up to the kidneys; this is fucking painful please don't take more ketamine for the pain seek medical assistance and tell them you have used ketamine.

sings of problems can be frequent pissing (every ten minutes) painfull pissing, passing blood in the urine or signs of infection (be aware you might have an infection if you have been sexually active).

there have been seven papers on this globally in the last year, prior to this no interest medically as recreational Ketamine was under the radar but I know many peeps who had this sort of problem in the early 90's (self included) fuck laying in a bath of water just so I could relax and not stress about pissing razorblades every ten minutes.

If you have any sort of urinary problems please post or Pm me and I can put you in touch with a specialist.

Chuff

Ketamine-Associated Ulcerative Cystitis: A New Clinical Entity (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VJW-4NN6N6B-4&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=4896ee5608b1f6be0c3dfea04d94b488)

Cystitis due to the use of ketamine as a recreational drug: a case report (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2443371)

The destruction of the lower urinary tract by ketamine abuse: a new syndrome? (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18680495)

Obstructive nephropathy and kidney injury associated with ketamine abuse (http://ndtplus.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/extract/1/5/310)


thats some good links there ave a read

[Diceface]

how much K do you have to do to start getting these problems??

ive been taking it for about 2 years i have a very healthy diet and dont take half the amount of other drugs (ecstasy coke weed etc) as i used to do before i started doing ketamine. i rarely get on the piss these days! which is a huge improvement from what i was like as a teen trust me! i drink alot of cranberry juice wich according to my doc is a mirical for proventing/treating bladder problems, certainly works for me as i dont have ne bladder problems whatsoever so far.. could be the key to preventing this horrible pissing pain:weee:

[cliffchuff]

cranberry juice will only work on bladder infections not on inflimation:cry:

the amount that you would need to do damage will depend on how good yer water works are to start with, the length and volume of use, recovery time, as well as other factors such as alcohol, dehydration etc.

the research in brizzle is pretty conclusive long term use = problems.

by long term they are looking at six months + daily for six months = problems, if you are not using daily it will obviously take longer for the damage to show up!

if you are using large amounts it will happen sooner.


also worth noting this is just one way it damages the cells of the bladder and kidneys, it also fucks yer nose up as well as anything else it come into contact with.

take regualr breaks. look after yourself

[Diceface]

i go through fazes like one month i may consume 2 grams daily un till i start feeling rotton, then i take a break from it for a good month or twa till im as good as new to get onit again lol. wouldnt say i have noticed n e psychical damages from it as of yet, but my short term memory is as good as my 68 yr old grandmothers.. and i get the most bizzare fucking dreams it defintly does something to the subconcious.

[process]

dont cain it during the week, thats the worse, bit here and there at the weekend, but give your body a bit to recover even if it is only 5 days. Makes me want a line tho all this talk of k:wink::hopeless::you_crazy

[Diceface]

does the inflimation go away once youve not done n e K for a long time???

[Diceface]

i have no intention on giving up the k jus yet, so im seeking the best preventions for all the k related problems.
Home Remedies For Bladder Inflammation (http://www.grannymed.com/meds/bladder-inflammation.aspx) <--- Home remedies for bladder inflammation. my new weekly shopping list.:laugh_at:

*~#~PeAcE~#~*

[GrassChopper]

i have no intention on giving up the k jus yet, so im seeking the best preventions for all the k related problems.
Home Remedies For Bladder Inflammation (http://www.grannymed.com/meds/bladder-inflammation.aspx) <--- Home remedies for bladder inflammation. my new weekly shopping list.:laugh_at:

*~#~PeAcE~#~*

I just read all the stuff you have to eat and drink... And each one said the same;
"Take 1 completely RANK fruit/vegetable, make a juice out of it, drink the shit"

Apart from the last one which is "Drink a lot of water all day long."

But apart from that last one... All the same! :yakk: