Dealing with a Ketamine Habit

[tarifa]

Serious question for genuine advice please

How can you help someone with a 2-3 gram a day ketamine habit (not injecting but still)?

[Playground Politics]

not that ive really helped anyone outta a habit, im guessing that addiction is a process that only the user can stop.:idea:

[General Lighting]

unless they actually are forced to detox by ending up in HMP (usually because they've started robbing to fund their habit) or due to chronic (long term) illness becoming acute (feeling so ill you end up in the ambulance/hospital) its only a decision the user can make

they have to decide for themselves that other aspects of life are better than their drug use - that said, a change of friends and scenery can make a lot of difference to any sort of desire to take anything.

[SD]

Unfortunately people addicted to K are only just filtering through to drugs services and there is very limited information on how to treat them. Let alone a substitution alternative like methadone for opiate users.

Physically the effects of too much K are increasing bladder and kidney infections. congested lungs, post-nasal drip... let alone tolerance/dependance.

Psychologically ego-centricity, depression, lethargy etc

Even these side effects are not that well documented...

My advice and experience with it and other halluconogens is only the person using it can stop.
As with all addictions it will eventually bring you to your knees, when you have to decide between life or death..

[SD]

By the way, I am a reasonably heavy K user, going through 4-5g's every weekend so am probably not the best person to ask. Although my problem has never been understanding drugs side effects but having the kick up the ass to stop em!

[tarifa]

Physically the effects of too much K are increasing bladder and kidney infections. congested lungs, post-nasal drip... let alone tolerance/dependance.

As with all addictions it will eventually bring you to your knees, when you have to decide between life or death..

Thanks SD, I know, just thought it worth running by you guys

Recently saw young friend of mine, kinda like a little brother, havent seen him since January, shares a house with an old friend of mine.

Really worried. Ematiated, literally. Pissing blood. Scrunched up in agony. He curled into me on the sofa for a hug and I didnt want to squeeze too hard, felt like he'd break.

He asked for my help (i'm a nurse), I got him to a doctor, got him on antibiotics for a nasty kidney infection, bought food, if he doesn't improve he needs to be admitted.

Now what? I know about addiction but I've no personal experience with a ketamine addiction like this so thought I'd run it past you guys.

I know he needs to do it himself but any handy hints gratefully received thanks

[Raj]

He needs to do it for himself really - got a now and then photo of him you can show him? something to make him stop and think?

[tarifa]

I'm sure he knows and he asked for my help so . . . i feel entitled to get involved now, if you know what I mean.

Thanks Raj , that's a good suggestion, he was a good lookin young lad, decent dress sense that sort of thing so maybe a possible approach

[rach]

its not really any useful advice, but i find that whenever me or a friend is going thro a rough patch, when you take them to the top of a big hill on a sunny day, forcing them to talk and talk and talk while getting fresh air and a good veiw, generally opens them up to make them stop and think about what emotions theyre trully going thro and also making them appreciate how nice normallity and sobriety is...

[Digital-A]

its not really any useful advice, but i find that whenever me or a friend is going thro a rough patch, when you take them to the top of a big hill on a sunny day, forcing them to talk and talk and talk while getting fresh air and a good veiw, generally opens them up to make them stop and think about what emotions theyre trully going thro and also making them appreciate how nice normallity and sobriety is...


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[Agent Subby]

Hmmm! John Lilly was doing enormous amounts of Ket for research among other tings:groucho: and lived well into his eighties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

How to able to float around in a tank talking to dolphins.
On a more serious note. Is the K your pal is using the real deal or cut with all sorts of crap? The guy needs serious breaks in between his K usage tarifa.
:love: :love:

[Motamba]

They require a psychological experience greater than "K" or as you say they need to just let it bring them to their knees'

Near death is good'

Near death is a good psychological state to reach as the person then knows of what will happen if they continue'

When all else fails "google Ibogaine'

Blessings'

Motamba'

[Southcaver]

They require a psychological experience greater than "K" or as you say they need to just let it bring them to their knees'

Near death is good'

Near death is a good psychological state to reach as the person then knows of what will happen if they continue'

When all else fails "google Ibogaine'

Blessings'

Motamba'

Ahh everyone needs a good old near death experience now and then,
just hit him with your car or something:you_crazy

[Playground Politics]

They require a psychological experience greater than "K" or as you say they need to just let it bring them to their knees'

Near death is good'

Near death is a good psychological state to reach as the person then knows of what will happen if they continue'

When all else fails "google Ibogaine'

Blessings'

Motamba'

are u plugging ibogaine or something, u seem to constantly state to google in ibogaine, whitch annoyingly now im gonna do!!!

[Motamba]

I came here to take a look at of what folks where upto and am apauled by the pain and suffering'

All of this is un-nessesary as I and many others can attest to'

In a round about way doctors lie cos they need you as a patient so as to keep their job'
They are trained to respond this way as are soldiers'

Programing'

You impint and program your body and your impules with substance abuse'

Ibogaine is the path to enabling you to transcnd all of that crap once and for all'

Ibogaine whitewalls body memory'

If you can't feel of what the drugs did to you through your remebered emotions you can't feed the feelings with greater emotions/cravings and get all bent up'

So to heal all of this pain an suffering and misdirection of society in general, those that have had enough of the pain and suffering and chore of supporting your doctor/health worker/ councilor'

Take back control of your own life'

Blessings'

Motamba'

[Motamba]

Ahh everyone needs a good old near death experience now and then,
just hit him with your car or something:you_crazy

Banging 110mg of "K" in your leg is the closest thing to death I have ever experienced other than "Spice"

Ego death inside 1 minute flat'

If you keep on wanting to go there then you are going to need one hell of a jolt to stop you going any further'

In the short term running him over with your car would be a sound thing to do'

At least he couldn't take "K" in hospital ;')~~~

Seriously though my point was "Ibogaine"
Blessings'
Motamba'

[process]

where do you get ibogaine from then i wouldnt mind trying it... I dont know if you saw that program called tribe where this guy went to diffrent tribes around the world and took part in thier different initiation rituals, but im pretty sure that thats what he did in one of them. Id heard about these treatment programs before, they do sound interesting.

[JamZandwich]

Serious question for genuine advice please

How can you help someone with a 2-3 gram a day ketamine habit (not injecting but still)?

wen ive been going through a heavy period on ketamine dying is not some thing i would give a Toss about, it sounds insane but thats what it does!
2 grams a day is not a ridiculous amount really, the key factor is to take long breaks from it as i have now learned for myself. the first few days giving up k is the worst jus like any other drug yu dont no wot to do with your self all day and you jus sit around thinking about k holes and wot not..
wen i dont ave k i think about it Alot and it seems like the best stuff on earth and then wen i get some again its rubbish... Very Fucking Addictive Shit! Stay away Kids, stay away!

[smokeitup]

wen ive been going through a heavy period on ketamine dying is not some thing i would give a Toss about, it sounds insane but thats what it does!
2 grams a day is not a ridiculous amount really, the key factor is to take long breaks from it as i have now learned for myself. the first few days giving up k is the worst jus like any other drug yu dont no wot to do with your self all day and you jus sit around thinking about k holes and wot not..
wen i dont ave k i think about it Alot and it seems like the best stuff on earth and then wen i get some again its rubbish... Very Fucking Addictive Shit! Stay away Kids, stay away!

ive been having breaks on it.. ive been trying to lay off it during the week.. but then it gets to the weekend i wanna get as fucked as possible so end up sniffin quatre litre on a fri night then another quater all day sat and sat night. so i feel majorly rough the following week. k cramps and all. my bladder is okish at the moment. not pissing blood yet... got the burning sensation and the pissing every 10 mins. cranberry juice and milk of magnesium are my best friends at the moment.

[Diceface]

cranbery juice is good & digestive biscuits (SP)
i dont what it is but i always have a strong urge to do some wen i wake up in the mornin, special k for breakfast anyone ?

[ilovepills]

If you look back through my posts on here you will see I had a big problem with Ketamine. I have since realised that the drug is dirty, Makes you feel and look like a mongole. I have now learnt to say no.

This is the best thing your mate can do. No one can help him except himself. All my mates still offer it me at clubs and after parties yet I still say no even though I am dying to say yes and I have not not touched the stuff for 2 months even though it's offered to me on a plate every weekend.

Just the feeling of pride at stopping is keeping me saying no.

[Raj]

If you look back through my posts on here you will see I had a big problem with Ketamine. I have since realised that the drug is dirty, Makes you feel and look like a mongole. I have now learnt to say no.

This is the best thing your mate can do. No one can help him except himself. All my mates still offer it me at clubs and after parties yet I still say no even though I am dying to say yes and I have not not touched the stuff for 2 months even though it's offered to me on a plate every weekend.

Just the feeling of pride at stopping is keeping me saying no.

Nice going mate :group_hug That takes serious strength of mind so well done.