The next big thing

[Space Master]

Hi does anybody have any idea what the next big thing in music will be?

Surely, it'll be a departure from what went before it (a departure from modern dance music)?

How will it come about, will it be from drugs, raves, a political regime change in the U.K., an hitherto unnoticed development in the Belgian music scene, or what?

When's it due?

Your contributions to this thread will be valued :)

[MisterDuck]

well it depends what you mean mate...

what we are likely to see is various "pockets" of scenes emerging, being slapped under a genre name by the media (NME in particular), bottled up and marketed for the masses to purchase and believe they are part of something "different"...

even music has fallen to the evils of western capitalism...

the underground dance scene will never die. it's stronger and has lasted longer than any other genre, survived the main-stream marketing battering, and emerged as authentic as ever.

the next "big thing" will be just another marketing ploy, unfortunately.

[globalloon]

last there was a 3 day folk music bash (http://www.nigelpennington.com/exfolk/gigdiary.htm) around here

it was well attended by people of all ages and the music was as fresh and authentic as anything from the dance 'underground'

raaa

[marcusblanc]

its not dubstep!:wink:

[MisterDuck]

last there was a 3 day folk music bash (http://www.nigelpennington.com/exfolk/gigdiary.htm) around here

it was well attended by people of all ages and the music was as fresh and authentic as anything from the dance 'underground'

raaa

i stand corrected. still, the "underground" (and i only use that term cos i dunno what else to call non-mainstream shite) dance scene has withstood the commercialisation dint it? like the whole 90's superclub thing with companies tryin to mimic the hacienda and make money outta ravers... i dunno i'm going on what i've been told obviously!

i still don't think the "scene" (doh) will ever die, unlike so-called "nu-rave" and other corporate bullshit :laugh_at:

[globalloon]

i stand corrected. still, the "underground" (and i only use that term cos i dunno what else to call non-mainstream shite) dance scene has withstood the commercialisation dint it? like the whole 90's superclub thing with companies tryin to mimic the hacienda and make money outta ravers... i dunno i'm going on what i've been told obviously!

i still don't think the "scene" (doh) will ever die, unlike so-called "nu-rave" and other corporate bullshit :laugh_at:

mate don't get me wrong

as i said, this little cluster of events was as underground and authentic as anything from the dance scene

there's some seriously specialist dance/electronic music coming out that defies pidgeon holing... more power to all who find and enjoy it

i'm not having a pop at all... you're right... i'm just chucking in something different to the mix (check me out sometime on southwestunderground / level-1 radio... i like to confuse pidgeons and their confounded holes) :weee:

[MisterDuck]

ah sorry i misunderstood (its a recurring problem with me...)

i will tune in if poss, when you next on?

[globalloon]

ah sorry i misunderstood (its a recurring problem with me...)

i will tune in if poss, when you next on?

errm. random times I'm afraid :groucho:

[MisterDuck]

organisation is overrated anyways :weee:

ah well hopefully i'll be online at that particular time, i always try to listen to as many radio shows as possible when i'm online raaa

[marcusblanc]

Is it microwave fish-finger sandwiches. I'm going out on a limb here!

[MisterDuck]

Is it microwave fish-finger sandwiches. I'm going out on a limb here!

if it then i'm screwed... i don't have a microwave :weee:

[globalloon]

if it then i'm screwed... i don't have a microwave :weee:

me neither

i wonder if wrapping them in a hanky and tucking them in an armpit will have the desired effect :groucho:

[MisterDuck]

hmm... if you were running on a treadmill solidly for a few hours, you may end up with soggy, sweaty things that may just resemble fish fingers :groucho:

i'd prefer to do the old camp-fire trick. it'd probably take about 12 hours, but oh well!

fish finger sandwiches don't actually sound that appealing... anyone tried "reggae reggae sauce"? that shit is well nice. now that is the future.

[globalloon]

hmm... if you were running on a treadmill solidly for a few hours, you may end up with soggy, sweaty things that may just resemble fish fingers :groucho:

i'd eat it, just to know

fish finger sandwiches don't actually sound that appealing... anyone tried "reggae reggae sauce"? that shit is well nice. now that is the future.

is reggae raggae like peri peri?

[MisterDuck]

apparently this fella who got given a deal on the dragons den programme thingy (the one with the panel of investors or summat), he came on TV and started singing about some sauce, got given a deal, and now it's everywhere.

i dunno, i didn't watch the programme, i've just been told about it - all i know is it really is the future :weee: bloody lovely stuff!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42647000/jpg/_42647787_levi_roots_203.jpg

[Space Master]

Lol at the fishfinger and dubstep remarks. Yeah, a lot of these newfangled genres seem to be grotesque chimaeras of two dead genres amputated and glued together to make a new creature by some musical Geoff Dahmer in his corporate attic. I think it's the grotesqueness behind it that makes it underground.

Nah l'm just saying that for humour value. I personally don't think it matters if a sound becomes commercialised - some of my fave tunes from the early 90s were commercial - they still had this feel that grabs you by the soul. I remember asking my old sister what acid house was, and she used to tell me that it's where they just play anything. That's not strictly true l guess, but l think there was a lot of samplemania and more to the point - they focused on whatever sounded good, using a small range of Roland instruments. I think rave was commercialised hardcore? And l think the main problem with commercial music was that it wasn't very DJ-able by folk who wanted to trance crowds out, it was more suited to straightforward mixing that sent you shuttling between the bar and the dancefloor. I think that was because of the EQ settings and layout of the tunes too?


last there was a 3 day folk music bash (http://www.nigelpennington.com/exfolk/gigdiary.htm) around here

it was well attended by people of all ages and the music was as fresh and authentic as anything from the dance 'underground'

raaa

Yerrr, l was actually considering some kind of folk-based music. There was some Jewish Orthodox techno on Eurotrash or some program like that once. At the end of the documentary piece it revealed that the Rabbis were actually recovering heroin addicts and not real Rabbis. Ah well. It sounded good though.

The obvious problems are: how do you fuse accoustic sounds with electronic beats or vice-versa (would you even mix the two? The Eurotrash documentary used synth-based music l think) and also: folk music isn't underground, or is it? Well..l suppose a lot of Irish Republican songs were underground and they could be considered folk music. And there's the Chilean group Inti-illimani (named after a high mountain), they made some wicked guitar and panpipe-based music, some old traditional and some newer revolutionary, anti-Pinochet stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Inti-Illimani-Inti-Illimani/dp/B00004TKPL/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4094472-5844657?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176964620&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Best-Inti-Illimani-Inti-Illimani/dp/B00004TKPL/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4094472-5844657?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176964620&sr=8-1)


"Early in their formation, the engineering students that were Inti-Illimani (pronounced "intee-E-gee-manee") explored not only the music of their homeland of Chile, but also the native culture of Argentina, Peru, and surrounding countries. This research led to a 30-year career that's produced a bounty of diverse music from Latin America and is why one hears everything from son folk to Andean pan flutes in the ensemble's repertoire. Listeners unfamiliar with the eight-member group whose instrumentation includes such familiar tools as guitar and clarinet and such exotic ones as the quena (a reed flute) and rondador (reed pan flute) have an opportunity to taste the varied flavors of its breezy, romantic music. Over the years Inti have consistently penned sociopolitical lyrics addressing human rights with an undying optimism, an outgrowth in part of their exile from Chile in 1973. Whatever the history, this album provides a spirited and comprehensive introduction to a group of musicians who've created some of the most moving Latin music of the last 30 years."




I think "Viva Chile [volume 2?]" was their best album, but l can't find it listed anywhere. It's well worth searching for - l'm sure you will eventually track down a copy outside Amazon. Anyway. That sort of music's all good, but there needs to be something more. There has to be something that gets the crowd high. Not necessarily always, but it has to be there if needed. For example... local beers, fermented trippy beverages, local mushrooms or something, l dunno. But that's how it was done in the past. The idea was a quantum leap, crowd + performers

(i.e. everyone had access to the beverage or shrooms or whatever, even if they didn't fancy it, the freedom of choice entails that even if nobody chose to get high, it would still work out),

all moving into some higher hemisphere during the performance, to bring about a cathartic release of negative energy as they enter a positive vibe. And l don't mean the feeling that bangin' good tunes were played, l mean the feeling of a truly cosmic WOW. The sense of being more than you could otherwise have been.


So, what came first? The shrooms or the music? I suppose you just have to play it by ear, maybe the exiting of a certain w*nker politician will provide the impetus needed to push things along. Or maybe the impetus required is a new type of electronic synthesiser. Or "a new chemical, to get rid of you, it's not medicine, magic or voodoo" (Rob Base and E-Z Rock - "Get On The Dancefloor" [1988]).

I think the bottom line is, it's something that lifts you up from below slightly, but causes a disproportionately huge downstroke from above as well, just like lightning - careful photography with modern instruments has shown that where lightning strikes, little streamers of ions first rise up e.g. from a wooden fence, and they then link up with a massive downstroke of lightning from the heavy clouds. What is below and above? Below is the mundane, chemicals, nerve cells, politics, sociology. Above is the er... Muses of the Arts and stuff like that. Ya know, the faeries. Ok don't laugh at me, apparently the folk song "Danny Boy" was invented by faeries. Come you have to admit there was a lot of good music suddenly cropping up/ripening in the late 80s and early 90s, in wildly different genres, there was something more than the work of individual artists could explain. Heavy metal was great, dance music was great, even rap was great.

So l propose it was the faeries that did it. Or something like that, l dunno, maybe it was Reagan leaving office in 1989, Margaret Thatcher leaving in 1990 etc. Maybe it was politicians just keeping themselves to themselves and letting things proceed naturally. Maybe it was solar activity as early as 1986, ya know, sunspots etc.

There needs to be an element of positive feedback, getting bigger and bigger and not disintegrating as it did last time!

[marcusblanc]

Sorry, i'll try and contribute somethin this time. err, right, well, hmm...some recent dance albums i liked...the first LCD soundsystem album is a cool 'fusion' type thing (the second ones come out recently, check out 'American Scum' on their myspace site), also, that hot chip album is pretty different, and i've just bought the Mark Ronson album, which is good.

One of my mates always recommends Arcade Fire, but i've not heard enough to really say.

Folk, err, s'ok for chillout...

Don't think any of it is the 'next big thing' tho, last thing i bought before it was massive was years ago, Moby's Play, i think.

Hope i've amused you with my inappropriate contribution...:wink: Maybe i'll just stick to the jokes!

Mark

[Space Master]

Yeah Moby's changed now hasn't he, l think he went into mixing trip hop with rock or something. I'm not clued up on modern music, l'm just assuming if something radically different were to happen, l'd have heard about it somehow, ya know like on the radio or whatever.

Do you ever get the feeling that a musical instrument is like a brain when on drugs, you know, simplified. Hallucinations are often geometry-based, similar to pure waveforms that synthesisers make as opposed to the more complex sounds of birds singing or cars revving up. Music is the drug, they say.

So, maybe a new musical instrument will be instrumental in change... or maybe just a type of sound, e.g. a new sound effect that really warps a basic saw wave or accoustic guitar signal. You know how the Juno hoover effect is basically the defining sound of hard dance, maybe there will have to be a new sound wave like that.

Anyone heard any interesting sound waves? Any cool sound effects that aren't just posh reverbs etc?

[General Lighting]

TBH I think the "next big thing" has already happened and its the greater accessibility musicians have to their followers because of digital music and internet radio.

it does have the ironic effect of actually shrinking the commercial music business due to "MP3 blagging" culture but at the same time means that more people will produce music genuinely for love of it/enjoyment than trying to become part of a diminishing "music business".

I don't actually care about the music genres any more these days.

All I care about is merely being able to listen to music by yourself or with friends without the constant risk of being hassled by authorities for excessive noise or breaking licensing laws...

[Space Master]

Yer, l think there were deadly riots after Mozart's first performance of The Magic Flute, but the classical music genre would never have that same effect these days. So, maybe it's not really about genres, more about the people.

But then again, if Mozart suddenly played all this Gabba techno to the audience during that performance, maybe he'd have been pelted, so maybe musical genre is still important. I mean, what would be the point in new ways of transmitting music that bring it into the orbit of the common man, when all that anyone knows is madrigal music and sonnets, l mean, it's not very rousing is it.

Whatever the style of music, the way the music makes your head react makes it more-ish to some ppl and those afficionados would want more of the same (y-axis) or more in the sense of progression of the style of the music (x-axis).

[timid rabbit]

well it depends what you mean mate...

what we are likely to see is various "pockets" of scenes emerging, being slapped under a genre name by the media (NME in particular), bottled up and marketed for the masses to purchase and believe they are part of something "different"...

even music has fallen to the evils of western capitalism...

the underground dance scene will never die. it's stronger and has lasted longer than any other genre, survived the main-stream marketing battering, and emerged as authentic as ever.

the next "big thing" will be just another marketing ploy, unfortunately.
i don't think underground has lasted longer than any other genre
what about .................
Northern soul, who lets admit where the first all night parties and that scene is still going very strong like it started of in the 60s and hit the uk in the 70s and it was attacked by the media .
also ska music 1969 stil skanking along some 28yrs later.
where these two styles has kept to there basic style,
the underground has had so many changes and styles its gone past the stage of counting how many differnt genre in the underground dance scene

[Space Master]

Dunno much about Northern soul, l've heard the original Tainted Love and also this song about a snake (let me in oh pretty woman). It sounds good, and l can't see that ever disappearing. I think Ska and Northern Soul are a bit selective though don't have that large tribal quality, or do they, and why would l want it to appeal to massive crowds anyway, l dunno! I'm not sure why tonal musical instruments even have to be involved, maybe l'm just not being open-minded enough.

[globalloon]

i've got inti illmani tapes that i picked up in Chile a few years back. excellent stuff :love:

atilla the stockbroker is worth checking out for a bit of rousing street poetry

also check out The Toretz.. if you liked IAn Drury you will love them

[Tek Offensive]

never tried it but sounds good...

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[Raj]

organisation is overrated anyways :weee:

ah well hopefully i'll be online at that particular time, i always try to listen to as many radio shows as possible when i'm online raaa

Glo's are always well worth a listen raaaraaaraaa

[cheeseweasel]

I reckon the next "big thing" is gonna be electro, and bands with electro elements to them, kinda ties in with all tht nu rave stuff i spose. can't say i'm a huge fan although i do like some of the electro-house stuff thts coming out at the moment.

[Space Master]

i've got inti illmani tapes that i picked up in Chile a few years back. excellent stuff :love:

atilla the stockbroker is worth checking out for a bit of rousing street poetry

also check out The Toretz.. if you liked IAn Drury you will love them

Have you got any Toretz mp3s to send here as an attachment? Wasn't Ian Drury the bloke that did "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick"?!

I suppose electro is what everyone's doing now. But l was wondering if there was going to be anything radically new coming along... Feel free to send some mp3s as an attachment if you can (not sure how you do it), as l haven't heard any Nu-Rave. Apart from those guys making Old Skool again (see the Hardcore Breaks section of the www.hardcorewillneverdie.com (http://www.hardcorewillneverdie.com) website).

[Space Master]

Looking at recent news headlines, l sense a new hybrid mashup style of music starting in the West End:

TechMurder
!

[quietRIOT]

well said...timid rabbit.
whoever said not long back rave is dead.is talking out their arse...:crazy_dru ..now we ve found a way musically to express ourselves.all getting together again without fuss. thru socialising an dancing like we did way back.that is never ever gonna fade away.....
music is all about new sounds trying out new stuff...i love to hear all this music thats been turned out at the minute it s a exciting time ...
no longer are djs pigieon holed to one gendre of music ...its perfectly fine for a dj to play techno thru to electro ..an why not .....raaa
some people analize music too much ..instead of letting themselves be open to new sounds....
The music is evolving all the time ...
Electro has come thru big time...an at first i didint like it ..couldnt dance to it ...but now its been sussed by some an its really good...
These are exciting times for dance music ...but in a different way obviously to the acid house era...we ve grown up moved on ...this is a more funky clean smooth kinda music ...im listening to anywayz...
i myself are into acid techno.psy trance,breakbeat,electro.dub,reggae...all sorts ..but im moving towards breakbeat...cos i just love the music an its good to dance to ..........so anyway ..enjoy the music of the moment ! its what its all about there are 10000000000 djs out there an its all for the love of Dahce music ...now can you see that dieing.....'EVER'raaa :crazy_dru :bounce_fl ...................yEEHARRRRR !!!!
Rave on !!!:group_hug

[Space Master]

well said...timid rabbit.
whoever said not long back rave is dead.is talking out their arse...

That might've been me you're referring to <<<DUCKS (l didn't imply it, maybe you inferred it).

There's this Nu-Skool hardcore album out with stuff by mostly old rave artists doing it again. It's called "We're Not Dead". I thought that was a bit of a sad name actually cos it sounds like famous last words lolol.

I still make rave in the old style but l'm not much good at it... would happily send mp3s on request but am not expecting any requests.

[General Lighting]

Looking at recent news headlines, l sense a new hybrid mashup style of music starting in the West End:

TechMurder
!


it already exists - it is called UK Garage/Grime..

[Playground Politics]

i think the next big! thing is gonna be generic rave music, and this rave culture is gonna spread, loadsa my friends are wanting to go out to raves, when they used to be into there rock/generic.

[Space Master]

Well said. That's what l like to hear. If it aint broke then don't fix it - ride it HARD!

I have to admit l'm dismayed at some ppl's definition of "Hardcore", some of it's just the thump smash thump smash of a Nazi war machine.

Keep it funky and groovy and animated!

And the K takers can do 1 too! IT'S A VETERINARY DRUG FOR SICK DONKEYS NOT HUMANS YA DIVS. There must be animals out there writhing in total agony whilst some psychonaut student is doing a robot walk on what was meant to be for medical use.

[Space Master]

Ooops sorry that sounds really uptight! I was refering to Happy Hardcore by the way but hey that's just personal taste.

And l've just realised there's already been a thread on K use. I've only ever tried it once and l can't go by just that one experience.

[globalloon]

Have you got any Toretz mp3s to send here as an attachment?

i don't, but can listen to some of their tunes via here>>> http://www.toretz.com/

[Playground Politics]

psychonaut student is doing a robot walk .


speaking from past experiance:groucho: haha

[Space Master]

Yeah some idiots let me OD on it and l was already drunk, had just been punched in the eye during a play-fight as well. They had to carry me home serves em right!

[rach]

Yeah some idiots let me OD on it and l was already drunk, had just been punched in the eye during a play-fight as well. They had to carry me home serves em right!

eesh you poor bloke, ket and alcohol are a seriously bad mix...

[Space Master]

:( think of the last scene in the Blair Witch project where the students are frozen still and there's this screaming sound!

[Space Master]

I never did pay them for all that K - and they never dared ask either!

[General Lighting]

I never did pay them for all that K - and they never dared ask either!

TBH for someone who doesn't use it regularly it usually only takes a small-ish line to spark them out, its only about £2-3 worth.

K-heads snort "bare ketiums" as they develop tolerance really quickly :hopeless:

[Space Master]

Yeah l snorted a big line of it and at one point they thought l was dead, lying on the grass outside the halls of residence, staring up at the sky on a freezing cold March night in the howling wind, so they were probably just relieved l was still alive.

I met this character and l was following him through these tunnels and caverns made of crystal even though l was scared stiff of him. The place felt more solid than this dimension.

Here's some curios that l discovered about 2 years after the event though:

From Dr. Doreal's New-Age version of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth:

Deep in the Earth’s heart lie the Halls of Amenti...

...Then for a dwelling place, far ‘neath the earth crust, blasted great spaces they by their power...the Halls of the Dead...

...Then from his throne came one of the Masters, taking my hand and leading me onward, through all the Halls of the deep hidden land...

And also, the lyrics to "Spirit In Black" by Slayer (heard years before the event):

...Buried beneath you will find
Deep in the halls of the damned
Spirit in black till the journey's [doesn't sing that] end

And then there's the Grange Hill kids:

[B]Just say NO!
NO!
Just sayyy nooo
Just sayyy nooooooo