Your perception of our purpose in this world.

[karthik kanoth]

what do u guys think ...our purpose in this world.

people came up with 101 reasons...but nothing satisfied me...

wanted to know from u people...

karth.

[Raj]

to leave it a better place than i found it

[karthik kanoth]

Thats more a raw view about things....
we are not politicians....are not world leaders....

cant change this world....that way.

the question is " our purpose".

[Raj]

you are of the opinion that one person cannot change anything?

[globalloon]

is it arrogant to assume that we have a purpose?

[karthik kanoth]

no....i think we are in different pages of a book.

I am asking about the reason we are here....u know...
y are we born, y do we do things....
y earn....y work....in the end its all 6 feet...

hope u get me now....

[karthik kanoth]

y would our purpose...be arrogant?

[karthik kanoth]

u know after.....so much of self realisation....so much of mind expansion..

so much of experience from life...problems..happiness...friends..love...
we still say its all part of life...

.y cant we stilll see what our purpose is?

we are so connected and at the same time...feel disoriented...

[Raj]

my answer remains the same - to leave it a better place than we found it

in my view this is a purpose and it is achieved through little things as much as large scale decisions - it is equally achievable by small acts of kindness as by major international policy

i dont believe it is arrogant to believe we may be here for a purpose; only to believe that such a purpose excuses us from doing the little things along the way
i am confident there is a reason why we are all here but in the meantime, till i work that out, i will carry on improving the world in as many small ways as i can find :groucho:

[globalloon]

y would our purpose...be arrogant?

if we had a purpose, that would be different

what i'm saying is... why assume that we have a 'purpose'?

no other animals, as far as we know believe they should be happy, for example. it's the 'curse of conciousness' to assume that we have some higher meaning to our existance than existance

perhaps our purpose is an ecological one; our planet was once covered in water. evolution of the planet appears to be trying to move as many particles as possible away from the sea bed (from sea-bed rock to plant, to fish, to bird or mammel, to mountain topsoil), so perhaps our purpose is to die and be buried on higher ground than our food was taken from, so that the nutrients in our body can trickle back down and feed the life forms that are physically below us, therefore allowing further growth at higher altitudes

just a guess

[karthik kanoth]

would that mean...that as a part of this evolution of this world....our only purpose is to live -> die -> feed the future..?

I agree with one point that our conciousness...is a curse..

[globalloon]

would that mean...that as a part of this evolution of this world....our only purpose is to live -> die -> feed the future..?

well as you say we are all connected. i believe that 'we' means every aspect of life, not just people, but animals, plants, rocks, energy (gravity, heat, light)... we are all connected. in a physical way we are (our bodies are made from the same molecules as a rock, a tree, a feather, the hair on a fox... everything) but also in a deeper way that our minds haven't learnt to percieve in a tangible way yet

our planet seems to be trying to grow outwards from it's core... i don't know why, other than to sustain more complex lifeforms (such as ourselves)

so i guess our purpose is too feed the future. to do that, as Raj says, we need to leave it better than we found it, if we can

[karthik kanoth]

Lets hope that ur right,

i think our humanity has been around ....so long here...
Are we such a complex organism, that our learning process...takes so long...i mean centuries..together?

[globalloon]

Are we such a complex organism, that our learning process...takes so long...i mean centuries..together?

some would say that our learning speed is increasing. i think that's questionable... how many people in the west would know how to grow their own food if the shops all closed tomorrow? but perhaps we are learning how to act in a more collective way, with each individual learning an area of expertise and depending on the others to maintain that aspect of society?

that's a tricky one... learning more quickly? or learning less?

and are we learningthe right things? as a species we seem to have collectively failed to learn from our mistakes... otherwise, surely, there would be no more war, for example

[General Lighting]

I think humankinds purpose is confused and that whilst technology is progressing human society is regressing...

even if you forget about the global conflicts and the terrorism; every weekend young men are killing one another in modern Western cities and villages over petty disputes as if they were still cavemen; all the do-gooders, cops and prisons seem unable to stop them..

[globalloon]

karthik

have you just legged it with my 'meaning of life theory'

i hope not

i want it back!

:wink:

[bearded_teki]

Quoted from Bergan Evans on Norbert Weiner:

"The second concept Weiner has to establish is that
of entropy. Probability is a mathematical concept,
from statistics. Entropy comes from physics.
It is the assertation -- established logically and
experimentally-- that the universe, by its nature, is
"running down", moving toward a state of inert uniformity
devoid of form, matter, hierarchy or differentation.

That is, in any given situation, less organization,
more chaos, is overwhelmingly more probabale than
tighter organization or more order.

The tendency for entropy to increase in isolated
systems is expressed in the second law of thermo-
dynamics--perhaps the most pessimistic and amoral
formulation in all human thought.

It applies however, to a closed system, to some-
thing that is an isolated whole, not just a part.
Within such systems there may be parts, which draw
their energy from the whole, that are moving at least
temporarily, in the opposite direction; in them order
is increasing and chaos is diminishing.

The whirlpools that swirl in a direction opposed
to the main current are called "enclaves". And one
of them is life, especially human life, which in a
universe moving inexorably towards chaos moves
toward increased order. "

I think thats one possible purpose of life.

[karthik kanoth]

helllo globalbalooon.....

I am sorry had to run some errands.....
I dont know that anymore....I think the dr. /medicine man needs to arrive
for all men/women......to atttain salvation./....

heheheh thats gibberrish....

kidding...
In plain words...lets all continue doing what we do...from sunrise to sunset...and not harm anything/anybody and make this earth a better place as Raj says...

[funny cat]

i think our purposes are totally subjective......why does there even have to be a purpose?

[globalloon]

i think our purposes are totally subjective......why does there even have to be a purpose?

exactly.. it's human arrogance that makes us assume there must be more to our lives than birth and death

[Meep]

To have fun; to do no harm to others in the process of having fun.

[K_trina]

To reproduce and rule over/look after Earth and lesser beings.

[Space Master]

To reproduce and rule over/look after Earth and lesser beings.

lol. I suppose if you stick to that it's ok.

[Playground Politics]

our purpose in life is to experiance/ and be experianced, or in another perspective our purpose is to experiance what every other organism doesnt have and that is free will

[Playground Politics]

also it is to be humble to a greater other force or being, weather thats spiritual or human it is up to the user to decide

[Space Master]

our purpose in life is to experiance/ and be experianced, or in another perspective our purpose is to experiance what every other organism doesnt have and that is free will

I just stick with that instead of adding any more ... free will = purpose ? So our purpose = to have a purpose, that's good enough for me :weee:

[PHARTY]

if we had a purpose, that would be different

what i'm saying is... why assume that we have a 'purpose'?

no other animals, as far as we know believe they should be happy, for example. it's the 'curse of conciousness' to assume that we have some higher meaning to our existance than existance

perhaps our purpose is an ecological one; our planet was once covered in water. evolution of the planet appears to be trying to move as many particles as possible away from the sea bed (from sea-bed rock to plant, to fish, to bird or mammel, to mountain topsoil), so perhaps our purpose is to die and be buried on higher ground than our food was taken from, so that the nutrients in our body can trickle back down and feed the life forms that are physically below us, therefore allowing further growth at higher altitudes

just a guessI like that view:love: and for the moment my purpose is to wonder why PHarty hadnt thought like that.

[tarifa]

[quote=karthik kanoth]what do u guys think ...our purpose in this world.

quote]

Not sure of our purpose in this world tho I'm closest in sentiment to Raj's definition, and try to live my life like that.

If the question is what is the purpose of this world then . . .

maybe the purpose of this world is to break our hearts.

[phogeyman]

:love: exactly.. it's human arrogance that makes us assume there must be more to our lives than birth and death
exactly we are just living creatures

[bluepink_clefairy]

I think the purpose of everything living is to be born, to produce and create more energy, to die, and then transfer our own energy back into the earth... for it to be reborn again. Everything is in cycles and continuous circles I believe.. just as the earth is a circle, as the sun is a circle... etc etc.

That's just from a physical point-of-view though.

If there is a spiritual purpose, who knows... there may not even be one... we might just like to hope that there is to keep us from going crazy with fear at the above statement. There might be no religion that exists, and it was only created to help us feel safe at the thought of death.

I really like globallon's answer to this question, I agree. =]

[dreaded_visions]

completely individual. Too many people construct false concepts of meaning and purpose through associations to the ideas presented around them. We are all off down our own reality, to direct our lifes whichever way we want in order to find happiness/

[Dr Bunsen]

I'm afraid we're all just vessels for our genes and a means for them (not us) to reproduce...

[Cosmic_Energy]

Life is not about FINDING YOURSELF Life is about CREATING YOURSELF.
Live for the moment.


Forget your past, go outside and have a BLAST!
:group_hug

[DaftFader]

I'm afraid we're all just vessels for our genes and a means for them (not us) to reproduce...

i agree with that ... i belive in the grand sceem of things there is no reason that we are here .. just a nateral phonominum ...but as we are here, as with all animals, our function in life is to reproduce to keep our spechies going....

[JulesDogg]

I'm afraid we're all just vessels for our genes and a means for them (not us) to reproduce...

A very limiting viewpoint my friend.

[boothy]

A very limiting viewpoint my friend.

Limiting or realistic?

Looking for something that isn't there never is much use.

[JulesDogg]

Limiting or realistic? Looking for something that isn't there never is much use.

Deciding that something is definately not there because you cannot see it, weigh it, count it or measure it is distinctly limiting.

Science of the day laughed at and dismissed the concept of 'microbes' when first suggested. Of course they were there. Looking for something that 'wasn't there' was profoundly useful in that instance.

Maintaining an open mind is somewhat less limiting than affirming or negating a given concept when the evidence is incomplete. This goes for all unknowns, whether scientific, philosophical, spiritual or whatever.

[JonnyQuest]

A very limiting viewpoint my friend.

you can disprove this?

[JulesDogg]

you can disprove this?

what do you mean?

Jonny, please stop being using rude words at me, calling me a 'fucking dick' was insulting and uncalled for. Is there really any need?

[JonnyQuest]

what do you mean?

Jonny, please stop being using rude words at me, calling me a dick was insulting and uncalled for.

i stand by it, at least i dont try and disguise it when im insulting people eh mate?

[JulesDogg]

i stand by it, at least i dont try and disguise it when im insulting people eh mate?

what is your problem exaactly????

[JonnyQuest]

what is your problem exaactly????

the way you talk down to people in damn nere every thread you post

[JulesDogg]

the way you talk down to people in damn nere every thread you post

Chill out dude

[JonnyQuest]

Chill out dude

good response mate, really faught for your side with that one, ask a question and you got an answer. nothing to say on the matter? whatever

[JulesDogg]

good response mate, really faught for your side with that one, ask a question and you got an answer. nothing to say on the matter? whatever

tedious

please just be reasonable or leave me alone, and don't call me a fucking dick, you don't even know me.

[JonnyQuest]

tedious

please just be reasonable or leave me alone, and don't call me a fucking dick, you don't even know me.

good response yet again

[Angel]

:sign0015:

[DJCliffy]

To Jonny and Julesdogg, I know you've got some differences guys but this arguing is ruining the general buzz of the place!!

Why don't you PM each other and try and get to know each other a little better rather than flaming one and other on the threads? You might not want to but this shit belongs on SJ not on here!

You never know you might have alot in common and if that don't work don't respond to one anothers posts!?

Just my two cents worth:love:

[Angel]

To Jonny and Julesdogg, I know you've got some differences guys but this arguing is ruining the general buzz of the place!!

Why don't you PM each other and try and get to know each other a little better rather than flaming one and other on the threads? You might not want to but this shit belongs on SJ not on here!

You never know you might have alot in common and if that don't work don't respond to one anothers posts!?

Just my two cents worth:love:



Well said Cliffy raaa


Couldn't agree more!!!

[DJCliffy]

Well said Cliffy raaa


Couldn't agree more!!!

:love:

[JulesDogg]

I agree with your sentiments Cliffy. TBH this is doing my head in pal. Everytime I post this character quotes me, then disagrees in some banal, near meaningless way or uses insulting language.
Enough is enough.

[JamesBong]

What is the meaning of life? Without doubt, this is one of the most challenging, and yet one of the most fundamental questions the mind can consider.

People throughout history have pondered the purpose of life. Philosophers spin theories. Poets write songs. Young people drop out of society to "find out what it's all about." Older people may remain within the "establishment," but they still wonder.

Obviously life is real. No one can deny that the world exists and people exist. You live, eat, sleep, breathe, and move. But do you understand why you exist?

[JamesBong]

Deciding that something is definately not there because you cannot see it, weigh it, count it or measure it is distinctly limiting.

Science of the day laughed at and dismissed the concept of 'microbes' when first suggested. Of course they were there. Looking for something that 'wasn't there' was profoundly useful in that instance.

Maintaining an open mind is somewhat less limiting than affirming or negating a given concept when the evidence is incomplete. This goes for all unknowns, whether scientific, philosophical, spiritual or whatever.

Totally agree mate deciding that sumthink exists or not before the facts are known would be limiting.

Have you ever read Krishnamurti? Wicked philosopher He reckons you shud avoid believing in anythin.

[JamesBong]

Life is not about FINDING YOURSELF Life is about CREATING YOURSELF.
Live for the moment.
Forget your past, go outside and have a BLAST!
:group_hug

This is an interestin thread. I like your perspective Cosmic

[JamesBong]

is it arrogant to assume that we have a purpose?

That's an interesting opinion, could you explain a bit more please?

[Angel]

That's an interesting opinion, could you explain a bit more please?

Wasn't an opinion but a question :wink:

[JamesBong]

Wasn't an opinion but a question :wink:

Right, interesting tho

[JamesBong]

Wasn't an opinion but a question :wink:

Angel, what's your opinion then?

[JulesDogg]

Maintaining an open mind is somewhat less limiting than affirming or negating a given concept when the evidence is incomplete. This goes for all unknowns, whether scientific, philosophical, spiritual or whatever.

This guy makes a good case for maintaining an open mind...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6MQUGjd21MA&feature=related

this guy also describes a very interesting experience

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOLTkjvu1ic&feature=related

Hope you find this interesting, I did.

[JulesDogg]

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This guy has some interesting perspectives. It stuff like this that keeps me convinced that open-mindedness is essential.

[Angel]

Angel, what's your opinion then?

Not sure we have a purpose..

Not even sure we should be here,I mean what good have we done to the world..

We are not needed here ,the world would be a much better place without us..


We pollute,and it's not only killing us but everything around us too

We ruin the rainforest and make a lot of species "homeless"

We kill each other ,a lot of time for no reason other that the colour or the skin,our sexual believes,our religion,jealousy,drugs ect..


Maybe our purpose in life is to ruin a planet,move on to the next one and start all over again

[JulesDogg]

Not sure we have a purpose..

Not even sure we should be here,I mean what good have we done to the world..

We are not needed here ,the world would be a much better place without us..


We pollute,and it's not only killing us but everything around us too

We ruin the rainforest and make a lot of species "homeless"

We kill each other ,a lot of time for no reason other that the colour or the skin,our sexual believes,our religion,jealousy,drugs ect..


Maybe our purpose in life is to ruin a planet,move on to the next one and start all over again

Any positives ? Can't all be bad can it ?

[Angel]

Something positive..

No..Not as a purpose


But I'll get back to you if I find something :wink:

[JulesDogg]

Something positive..
No..Not as a purpose
But I'll get back to you if I find something :wink:

Do you think that learning to give and receive LOVE could be a part, if not all, of our purpose?

[DaftFader]

To Jonny and Julesdogg, I know you've got some differences guys but this arguing is ruining the general buzz of the place!!

Why don't you PM each other and try and get to know each other a little better rather than flaming one and other on the threads? You might not want to but this shit belongs on SJ not on here!

You never know you might have alot in common and if that don't work don't respond to one anothers posts!?

Just my two cents worth:love:

i think they should settle it with a nakid mud wresling compatition :crazy_dru

[JulesDogg]

i think they should settle it with a nakid mud wresling compatition :crazy_dru

Don't muddy things Fader:wink: , there seems to be an unspoken truce developing. Still wear my flame proof gown before coming here though:good_evil

[jmt10110]

Obviously life is real. No one can deny that the world exists and people exist. You live, eat, sleep, breathe, and move. But do you understand why you exist?

Not necessarily. Life, "as we know it," may or may not be real. Sure WE live, eat, sleep, and move, but so do the characters of the popular game The Sims, and they are not "real." Who is to say what truely is real and what is dream/illusion?:wtf:

[JulesDogg]

Not necessarily. Life, "as we know it," may or may not be real. Sure WE live, eat, sleep, and move, but so do the characters of the popular game The Sims, and they are not "real." Who is to say what truely is real and what is dream/illusion?:wtf:

Hmmm, not so sure about the Sims analogy J. I know what you're alluding to though and I tend to agree that whilst the common view is that reality is the product of our senses, the truth is that our senses actually obscure reality. All said, I do realise that this is a question that has no satisfactory answers, but it can be interesting to knock ideas about.

[jmt10110]

Allow me to explain the analogy then. The Sims, a mock reality game where it's user controls every aspect of their character's life. You tell them when to eat, sleep, bathe, go for walks, shop, and control where they go. My thought was, "what if our world is like this? what if our 'free will' is just our user not playing us at that time? that we do what we're 'commanded' to do. that a being (not a god/goddess), along with the rest of it's kind control this entire world.":crazy:

But ya, you got the main point.

[JulesDogg]

J, ok, first time round the 'sims' anaology seemed to be posing 'Reality vs Illusion'. Now you've explained it's more like 'Free Will vs Determinism'

Both are interesting and on-going philosophical debates. I guess there are no real answers to these but for the record; on the question 'reality v illusion' I think it's both and on 'free will v determinism' it's both again. Or, more accurately, it's both, neither, one, and the other simultaneously. :crazy:

[jmt10110]

i was actually trying to describe both, which you saw, congrats.

[JulesDogg]

i was actually trying to describe both, which you saw, congrats.

J, damn they are tough enough questions one at a time!

Keep it simple eh :wink:

BTW, you got the answers? I'd love to know what the fug is going on.

[jmt10110]

even if there are answers, i wouldn't know them because i too am stuck in "reality." but your answer . . .

on the question 'reality v illusion' I think it's both and on 'free will v determinism' it's both again. Or, more accurately, it's both, neither, one, and the other simultaneously

. . . is pretty much the only concievable answer possible.

[jmt10110]

i realized something . . .the more you think about it the harder it becomes. in truth it seems to be both of each. limited general determinism but granted periods of free will. the illusion of reality is our reality.

if clarification is needed just ask. i can't controll what rants out of my random open mind but i can explain it.:you_crazy

[xpillpopper]

i remember a time when i was younger and this 'higher purpose' question had never occured to me. its not even a question that can be answered, so when i thought about it i would get really sad.