Give Norfolk a Rest

[General Lighting]

It actually says in the news report that the cops simply watched the traffic flows through Breckland and then got the heli in the air.

Exactly the same way TVP dealt with the Storm/Surge lot on the Ridgeway a few years back.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by boothy

i doesnt happen anywhere else ffs.

this may also be simply because other areas got locked down a couple of years before bebo was invented.

The same things happened with certain free party crews around SE England (venues being rinsed, people being bait on the internet) around 2003-2005... (theres a fair few posts about it on here in our older threads!)

also a lot of the slightly older people (age 18 upwards!) are calming down / stopping partying due to the hassles or realising they have to watch what they say so its not surprising its only the kids making a noise..

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by General Lighting

this may also be simply because other areas got locked down a couple of years before bebo was invented. the same things happened with certain free party crews around SE England (venues being rinsed, people being bait on the internet) around 2003-2005...

naaah i wasnt meanin just that issue

i mean brains skan and stuff like that

stella box head and riots

trashed police cars

this pathetic "down wit babylon" i mean dont me wrong, i hate some shit of society as much as anyone, but it doesnt take much brains to realise that a confrontational "kill the pigs" attitude aint no way gonna change anythin

[DJCliffy]

Originally posted by boothy

this pathetic "down wit babylon" i mean dont me wrong, i hate some shit of society as much as anyone, but it doesnt take much brains to realise that a confrontational "kill the pigs" attitude aint no way gonna change anythin

Mate the old bill would love it if people started fighting back. Perfect opportunity for em to smash ravers up! Lets just hope that never happens eh!

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by boothy

this pathetic "down wit babylon" i mean dont me wrong, i hate some shit of society as much as anyone, but it doesnt take much brains to realise that a confrontational "kill the pigs" attitude aint no way gonna change anythin

that also happened in South East England, around 2001-2003 or so - lots of people from those ends (including some of those who berate Norfolk ravers today) have been at raves where that sort of shit happened. Similar confrontations occured in Bristol/Wales on various occasions.

Riot squad on the scene, stuff being thrown at cops, people getting injured on both sides, police cars also getting trashed. Also a stupid amount of vandalism at indoor parties what also brought things on top (as the organisers would be arrested for the criminal damage).

The only reason this stopped and things calmed down is because loads of crews got busted and brought before Court, lots of rigs got confiscated and people eventually realised they could only take the piss so much... the remaining party people realised their limits (or were made to do so).

The young Norfolk ravers may be daft for repeating the same mistakes as other regions (and not realising that the cops were actually cutting them a lot of slack!), some (but not all) seem fairly naive about what they are getting into and many are being overly blatant but they are by no means the first to act stupidly.

Ironically around the time it was kicking off in SE England its possible East Anglia's scene may have been relatively peaceful (certainly thats the impression the "old guard" like Biotech, Titch and Binge always gave me).

[Tocooltom]

In my opinion:

[Tocooltom]

1. Ravers who dont go to norfolk parties have no right to give Norfolk parties a bad name.
2. Parties in norfolk will never end, wotever shape or form, they end up doesnt matter, they will still exist.
3. The norfolk party heads are more than up for fighting for their right to dance under the stars, just because all the other counties got locked down doesnt mean that this one will be!
4. Organisers will get more clever about the parties, and people will still go, jus coz the babylon TRY to stop us doesnt mean they will succeed.
5. There are more rigs in norfolk than there are clouds in the sky, some rigs havnt been out for years so whether or not lots of rigs get confiscated, there will be plenty left, im not saying that we will sacrifice rigs to keep on partying, im saying that there r too many rigs and too many ppl in norfolk that dont want to quit doing parties.
6. The cops around here know wot we do, and alot of them dont even care, we got directed to a party once be a police officer!
7. If you have a problem with the norfolk parties, then keep it to yourself, the rigs have enough bullshit to deal with already.

I think im speaking the minds of alot of Norfolk party heads.

AVIT!

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by Tocooltom

1. Ravers who dont go to norfolk parties have no right to give Norfolk parties a bad name.
2. Parties in norfolk will never end, wotever shape or form, they end up doesnt matter, they will still exist.
3. The norfolk party heads are more than up for fighting for their right to dance under the stars, just because all the other counties got locked down doesnt mean that this one will be!
4. Organisers will get more clever about the parties, and people will still go, jus coz the babylon TRY to stop us doesnt mean they will succeed.
5. There are more rigs in norfolk than there are clouds in the sky, some rigs havnt been out for years so whether or not lots of rigs get confiscated, there will be plenty left, im not saying that we will sacrifice rigs to keep on partying, im saying that there r too many rigs and too many ppl in norfolk that dont want to quit doing parties.
6. The cops around here know wot we do, and alot of them dont even care, we got directed to a party once be a police officer!
7. If you have a problem with the norfolk parties, then keep it to yourself, the rigs have enough bullshit to deal with already.

I think im speaking the minds of alot of Norfolk party heads.

AVIT!

ok... who's first?

[Tocooltom]

No one is first, that was just my opinion, not an opotunity to start an argument.

[General Lighting]

to be fair I had a look on bebo yesterday and the people with bait pages are saying they will remove or moderate them more closely

I still say though if bebo had been around 3-4 years ago exactly the same would have happened but with some SE England crews - in fact one of the groups isn't actually from Norfolk but from Oxfordshire

There is a reason why PC Jimmy May of Thames Valley could be helping the East Anglian constabularies (although I don't think he is actually transferring as he comes across as the sort of bobby who wouldn't want to leave his area, its more that he must be giving tactical advice)

organisers do need to get clever very quickly though, because an actual change in the whole countrys law is planned.

what I don't get (as a newcomer to the area) is why the same 50 mile radius of places (centering around thetford forest) get targeted, when Norfolk is an extremely large county?

and surely in a community of rural people someone must have an older brother/sister who doesn't mind a party and has legitimate access to land?

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by Tocooltom

1. Ravers who dont go to norfolk parties have no right to give Norfolk parties a bad name.
2. Parties in norfolk will never end, wotever shape or form, they end up doesnt matter, they will still exist.
3. The norfolk party heads are more than up for fighting for their right to dance under the stars, just because all the other counties got locked down doesnt mean that this one will be!
4. Organisers will get more clever about the parties, and people will still go, jus coz the babylon TRY to stop us doesnt mean they will succeed.
5. There are more rigs in norfolk than there are clouds in the sky, some rigs havnt been out for years so whether or not lots of rigs get confiscated, there will be plenty left, im not saying that we will sacrifice rigs to keep on partying, im saying that there r too many rigs and too many ppl in norfolk that dont want to quit doing parties.
6. The cops around here know wot we do, and alot of them dont even care, we got directed to a party once be a police officer!
7. If you have a problem with the norfolk parties, then keep it to yourself, the rigs have enough bullshit to deal with already.

I think im speaking the minds of alot of Norfolk party heads.

AVIT!

http://www.squatjuice.com/phpBB2/vie...884&highlight=

Ha ha ha. (i have been to norfolk raves as well btw)

[lilmstrixta]

it makes me laugh when people say fuck the babylon, i bet they ouldnt be saying that if the sister or mum got raped or someone they knew got killed, at the end of the day they are just doing what they are told to do, it might suck majorly but still.

[jack_daniels]

what makes me laugh is that they think parties will go back to normal after they waste police time taking suicide rigs and use up the funds/budget.

but this possible couldnt be done because the police forces have joined.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by lilmstrixta

it makes me laugh when people say fuck the babylon, i bet they ouldnt be saying that if the sister or mum got raped or someone they knew got killed, at the end of the day they are just doing what they are told to do, it might suck majorly but still.

exactly

that said there are a lot of people particularly young people who would try "DIY justice" round here (which is also why the cops have riot units and armed units on standby virtually 24/7, East anglia may look peaceful but its on a knife edge)

That said, because I used to listen to scanner loads when you could do this (I think its safe enough to chat about it now as its no longer possible), it actually taught me a bit of respect for some things the Police did

I remember once hearing about some cops had to go and close down a rave and the night before the same cops had had to do a 12 hour scene watch after a girl had been raped in a nearby town (I recognised the voices and callsigns) - they had barely a few hours sleep and were back on shift having to deal with an unfriendly crowd (this was in a rural area of SE England btw, not East Anglia)

also you'd hear traffic cops being sent to tell mums/dad their kids had been killed in a traffic collision... (and a few ravers have been killed over the years on the A134 and A14)

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by jack_daniels

what makes me laugh is that they think parties will go back to normal after they waste police time taking suicide rigs and use up the funds/budget.

but this possible couldnt be done because the police forces have joined.

they haven't formally merged but will link up between forces to close down parties

the cops have been allowed to use money that was set aside for major incidents such as terrorism, bluetongue and bird flu and the effects of imigration..

ironically I remember a few Norfolk ravers (on another forum) saying "cops should clamp down on immigrants" - well what also happened is cops got the budget as above, found out that immigrants don't do half as much crime as was originally thought, and then decided they could use the money for dealing with raves!

people should take note of what elretardo87 says in his signature..

[MisterDuck]

http://squatjuice.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=135135

as if they went out this weekend, fuckin idiots

[Tocooltom]

This is just a one sided conversation which is just lots of people taking the piss out of a county's parties just because this the only time they cud ever do it. Nobody was saying all this a few months ago so how come in the past few weeks Norfolk is now a shit hole? Who will be laughing in a years time?

And on that point im leaving this thread, hav fun with the bitching!
Wot happened to Peace, Love, Unity & Respect?

[titch]

Nah mate people have been laughing at the Norfolk scene for years now...

[jack_daniels]

Originally posted by Tocooltom

This is just a one sided conversation which is just lots of people taking the piss out of a county's parties just because this the only time they cud ever do it. Nobody was saying all this a few months ago so how come in the past few weeks Norfolk is now a shit hole? Who will be laughing in a years time?

And on that point im leaving this thread, hav fun with the bitching!
Wot happened to Peace, Love, Unity & Respect?

not all norfolk parties are shit/jokes there has been some awesome parties over the years but certain crews are fucking things up for everyone else.

when you are old enough to drink and smoke you might realise what everyone is going on about.

you think its a good idea that party crews put on parties in a zero tolerance area and every thing will be fine soon because the will run out of budget (isnt going to happen the locals of feltwell are pissed of that the fact OB hasnt dont anything to stop parties). many of these people who are complaining are freemasons, people who have moved to retire, ex police etc.


at least they didnt do anything this weekend.

[General Lighting]

OK some youths are being baitheads/daft but they are NOT the ones who regularly post on here who I find to be fairly clued up) nor people from certain crews in this area (who sadly are carrying the can for the sins of others IMO)

Having been playing this game for a while I've often wondered how much of the "Norfolk" slating is because of genuine issues (which actually affect the whole of the UK) and how much is simply sour grapes (that Norfolk ravers had been getting away with it for so long compared to other regions) or gloating (because the feds aren't clamping down in their area).

I started taking drugs at age 15, and TBH it hasn't done me that much damage...

and on the subject of youthfullness, at their best Norfolk parties can be really good - at one I went to last year around my birthday - for a few moments I actually felt like I was in my teens/early 20s again, and no other recent event in other regions has made me feel like that (although I showed enough integrity/honesty not to lie about my age to those young girls from Thetford )

That said, Jack_Daniels does make some very good points about the nature of those opposing parties in this area, and a Police budget is basically an endless pot of taxpayers money.

Yes it does cost loads to put up OI99 (helicopter) in the skies but a lot of locals in Breckland and South Norfolk actually feel its money well spent.

[jack_daniels]

Originally posted by General Lighting

OK some youths are being baitheads/daft but they are NOT the ones who regularly post on here who I find to be fairly clued up) nor people from certain crews in this area (who sadly are carrying the can for the sins of others IMO)

Having been playing this game for a while I've often wondered how much of the "Norfolk" slating is because of genuine issues (which actually affect the whole of the UK) and how much is simply sour grapes (that Norfolk ravers had been getting away with it for so long compared to other regions) or gloating (because the feds aren't clamping down in their area).

I started taking drugs at age 15, and TBH it hasn't done me that much damage...

and on the subject of youthfullness, at their best Norfolk parties can be really good - at one I went to last year around my birthday - for a few moments I actually felt like I was in my teens/early 20s again, and no other recent event in other regions has made me feel like that (although I showed enough integrity/honesty not to lie about my age to those young girls from Thetford )

That said, Jack_Daniels does make some very good points about the nature of those opposing parties in this area, and a Police budget is basically an endless pot of taxpayers money.

Yes it does cost loads to put up OI99 (helicopter) in the skies but a lot of locals in Breckland and South Norfolk actually feel its money well spent.

tbh i know i wouldnt be very happy if i/you lived in them villages and you get hundreds of cars driving up and down you house every weekend from 10pm til ... many old people are in bed by 10 o clock and very light sleepers

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by Tocooltom

This is just a one sided conversation which is just lots of people taking the piss out of a county's parties just because this the only time they cud ever do it. Nobody was saying all this a few months ago so how come in the past few weeks Norfolk is now a shit hole?

um... people have been saying this all through 2006/7 too. i take it you dont read SJ?

look noone is dissin ur county as a whole, just when some crews are seriously fuckin things up and makin national news it doesnt do anyone any good.

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by jack_daniels

when you are old enough to drink and smoke you might realise what everyone is going on about.

???

[jack_daniels]

Originally posted by boothy

???

meaning give it a few years and he will understand

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by jack_daniels

meaning give it a few years and he will understand

to be fair i dont think that is a fair generalisation

a lot of young people are very clued up, the same as most older ravers are clued up - certain crews rinsin the areas in norfolk are actually relatively older crews!

also the age to drink and smoke is debatable. on your 18th birthday a light doesn't just ping on and you go "holy shit, i can now drink responsibly!" as any night out in town will prove