Ravers Fight Back Against Police Rave Party Bust

[Dr Bunsen]

[sp00k]

Having shit like that on film doesn't do anything for the police..


sp00k

[muddy]

jesus, it's not even that great weather yet and the pigs are back to bother us.......bastards.....
does anyone know what happened afterwards? did they get their rig nicked as well as their generator? it looked like a few people got hurt, to say the least!


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Today, a young man on acid realised that all matter is mearly energy condensed to a slow vibration... that we are all one consciousness... experiencing itself subjectively... there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.... here's tom with the weather! - Bill Hicks

["Sound-Guy"]

Shit man, just go's to prove that once again, old bill are cunts!
Lovin the mosh pit between old bill n ravers, big up the ravers for the "quick, get the genny back" attitude!

[suffolkravas]

FUCKIN glad to say i was there!!! DONT GIVE IN TO THE DIRTY BABYLON YA!

[Tek Offensive]

wonder what old bill would do if you got em back in the eyes with ur own can of mace??

[Dr Bunsen]

The party got their generator back by the way...

[General Lighting]

TBH though I reckon this was authorised at a very high level (including the obscuring of officers' individual identification - this is an age-old and accepted tactic throughout the entire British public sector, not just the Police), it was going on before any of us were born.

To us ravers its an over-reaction - to the rest of society (particularly those who live near popular rave venues) its just "dealing robustly with a problem which could have created 3 days of nuisance". in previous days the locals themselves would have been allowed to fight it out with the outlaws, with whatever weapons each side chose.

I get the impression cops knew they couldn't stop the entire rave so the idea was to divert as many rigs as possible and clatter a few of the more stubborn ravers to "teach them a lesson".

This sort of stuff happens everywhere , in the North it was routine and similar things happened in the SE a few years ago. Yes, the ravers of Manchester, Oxford, Reading, Aylesbury all "fought back" as well. The ultimate result was only that more cops were put on standby and more rigs got confiscated. they also are now tracking down people who own stacks and hassling them during the week...

Bear in mind any complaints against cops will be countered with potential PEL violation prosecutions as well.

It may seem harsh but the cops are weighing up the complaints of 10 or so stubborn ravers, against 100+ villagers if "nothing is done about a 3 day rave" - middle class villagers have way more power in society than young ravers mostly at college or not in constant employment.

Unfair, but thats the way society is run at the moment and it will take a lot more work to attempt to change anything.

BTW very soon there will be no difference between Suffolk and Norfolk police - they now work together anyway to stop raves and are going to be merged. think about who the MP for Norwich South actually is, he is not a happy bunny at the moment and in this country people "share the pain" when they are not happy.

and surely there is a better way than having to fight cops all the time? this sort of crap happens on the streets in Reading and London all the time - gangs brawling and riot cops steaming in.

that sort of bullshit is what some of us who like raving are trying to get away from...

Cops only get called to raves if people are very lax about security or logistics (which is what may have happened here according to some of the SJ threads) - or people draw attention to themselves in a country where people are insular and nosey.

You can't easily fight an S63 without losses. it is better to move to a backup venue and regroup.

If people could get away with overpowering civillian cops every weekend like what happens in some other countries or even the cities of Britain, gangs would run the streets and take over the raves and real paramilitary police units would be regularly deployed to restore order. Speak to a few european friends (or even London ravers); they will have some stories to tell you about all this.

Incidentally Norfolk has 5371 km² area, Suffolk 3801 km². Although the terrain and layout often means villages aren't far away, surely its possible to find less on top venues?

[matthecat]

apparently free (or charity) events dont need a PEL

nice vid tho

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by matthecat

apparently free (or charity) events dont need a PEL

what actually happens is they do need a license, but the fee is waived or the license is raised in the name of the local council (which can grant licenses to itself as many school halls, village halls and youth clubs need PELS)

its done out of "goodwill". Same as if one of us won the lottery and decided to use some of the money to back a legal rave event..

Of course this means the organisers are accountable to the councils wishes and if the council don't approve the event can be stopped. The charity still has to meet with cops, council health and safety/licensing bods etc and do all the paperwork and they are bound to start and finishing times and if they go wrong can be brought up before Court.

I've also heard that councils are increasingly withdrawing this goodwill as charities become more commercialised and council budgets are being slashed.

[elraveon]

apparently free events dont need a PEL

you need to add PRIVATE to that and it still dosent stop them taking you to court where you may have to argue it. and they can still use the public order act and its many wide ranging powers.


the term FREEPARTY was coined back in the early ninetys to avoid PEL(PUBLIC ENTERTAINMENTS LICENSE), so as to differentiate between a pay party.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by elraveon

you need to add PRIVATE to that and it still dosent stop them taking you to court where you may have to argue it. and they can still use the public order act and its many wide ranging powers.

indeed - even a private party on someones own land held by the owner can be busted if the neighbours whinge about it.

was reading a local paper where some chap had recovered from cancer and was holding a house party; his neigbours complained as it went on after midnight and ended up with EHOs and 15 cops shutting down the event - he was hauled before Court, his home stereo confiscated and he was forced to back down and admit he had made too much noise..

Despite having recovered from a life-threatening illness neither his neighbours nor the law was willing to give the man any slack.

FFS if my own neighbour had done this and I knew he had just recovered from cancer I'd probably be helping him set up the event!

[binge]

That's pretty heavy shit. Although I like the fact that the guy lying on the floor after being maced was still hanging on to his beer!

Did the rig get taken? I didn't reckonise it or the people, but it's been a while since i've been home......

[the1log]

Originally posted by binge

That's pretty heavy shit. Although I like the fact that the guy lying on the floor after being maced was still hanging on to his beer!

Did the rig get taken? I didn't reckonise it or the people, but it's been a while since i've been home......

Yeah I saw that bloke and his can of beer, spose it's just reaction to hang on to your beer even in a life and death situation.


Great vid, bit of a cliffhanger ending though

So what did happen in the end?

[globalloon]

got the genny back allegedly

[suffolkravas]

Originally posted by binge

That's pretty heavy shit. Although I like the fact that the guy lying on the floor after being maced was still hanging on to his beer!

Did the rig get taken? I didn't reckonise it or the people, but it's been a while since i've been home......

Yeh i actually know that geezer and glad to say hes fine now. he actually got hit in the face with a baton right there ><

the rig got shut down but we got it back in the end, moved location surprisingly nearby the first location.

[raverbaby]

Well that settles it im taking goggles to the next rave i go to.

[Dutchy]

I saw the small movie and it was a nice action. Not that the party can get through after you get back the aggregaat (dutch). But it was nice to see how all the people together try to overrule the police!!!!! Respect

[stax]

yep eventually partied down the road in good ol Norfolk where the grass is greener and the ob aint meaner

[kolski]

Another reaction from a wooden shoes wearing, tulip smoking, in a windmill living cheese addict, from the other side of the channel:

I've been present at quit some police raids here in Holland, in similar situations. Generally the partypeeps cooperate when the pigs clear the location, mostly because the systempeeps ask you to do so. After all, it's their rig which is at stake.

But, the few times when shit like this happens, or it escalates for whatever reason (mostly because the police wants it to escalate to set an example, or just because they feel like it), the MP or police usually doesn't stay this calm and friendly!

Police dogs are always present and they will be set loose immediatly. Teargas and pepperspray will be used, even if there's one of those damn unguided policedog-missiles tearing your leg apart and you really can't get away.....Most likely you will even get a few hits with a three feet long police baton on your back, to make sure you're out....even when the blood of the dogbite fills up your shoes and you're laying totally desorientated, screaming in pain after being spraid with pepperspray in the eyes..

So it's really cool to see you guys (who-ever you may be) getting into action like this as a group at once!! "Get your f***ing hands of our generator or we're taking it back!"

But at least as cool to see: Great that this is still possible over there, without risking serious flesh- and bitewounds, concussions or being blind for an hour....

it's almost admirable to see how controled and calmly those police pigs act........... which doesn't make any less fucked up, that they stopped your (really nice looking) party.....

cheers.

[USE]

who took the footage? anyone know? id like to get a hi-res version.

[djetaine]

not trying to be the one to piss you all off but are you kidding? This wasnt violent in the least. There have been many a rave here in the states that have been shut down MUCH more forcefully than this. Take the salt lake city fiasco about 6 months ago for example. No offense but the police did everything necesarry in this situation. The crowd attacked the police. They werent in any sort of mortal danger but the police were trying to shut down the party and the crowd moved in on them. There wouldnt have been a problem had the ravers not made a move in the first place. You have to work within the system, not outside of it. I am a dj and a promoter, I know firsthand how difficult it is to throw an outdoors event. Especially here in the states in texas, its damn near impossible. But I know that if a party gets shut down for ANY reason, valid or not, you NEVER go against the ones shutting it down. It wont make the promoters look good nor the attendees. Can you even imagine how difficult it is to fight something like this in court when one of your attendants has punched a civil servant in the face? I think not.
I wont say anything about this particular party and the justification of shutting it down becuase I dont have the information, but if it weren't completly legal with every t crossed and every i dotted, its not the fault of the police, they were doing thier job.
commence with the flaming.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by djetaine

not trying to be the one to piss you all off but are you kidding? This wasnt violent in the least. There have been many a rave here in the states that have been shut down MUCH more forcefully than this. Take the salt lake city fiasco about 6 months ago for example. No offense but the police did everything necesarry in this situation. The crowd attacked the police. They werent in any sort of mortal danger but the police were trying to shut down the party and the crowd moved in on them. There wouldnt have been a problem had the ravers not made a move in the first place. You have to work within the system, not outside of it. I am a dj and a promoter, I know firsthand how difficult it is to throw an outdoors event. Especially here in the states in texas, its damn near impossible. But I know that if a party gets shut down for ANY reason, valid or not, you NEVER go against the ones shutting it down. It wont make the promoters look good nor the attendees. Can you even imagine how difficult it is to fight something like this in court when one of your attendants has punched a civil servant in the face? I think not.
I wont say anything about this particular party and the justification of shutting it down becuase I dont have the information, but if it weren't completly legal with every t crossed and every i dotted, its not the fault of the police, they were doing thier job.
commence with the flaming.

this isn't a legal event held in a club ... it is whats called a "free party" or may be called an "outlaw party" in the USA.

People simply go into a public area (this forest is like a smaller scale of your national parks) and set up their sound systems there. One reason it happens is that here in England club licenses are impossible to get in some areas because of paranoia over drugs, and large style club events can have entry prices of around $50-$100 even!

Kids round here just can't afford it. This country isn't as rich as its made out to be, nor is it the "cricket, bowler hats and "jollly good show" place where we all tug our forelocks to the queen ;)

Sometimes people get away with the party (they have been doing events like this for over 16 years now); sometimes the TSG cops (riot squad) are deployed to stop it like in this situation. One problem is that because land is so expensive and houses close together if there is too much sound system or people party for too long the neighbours call the cops.

[dambo23]

Was that some sort of pepper spray the filth were spraying. Dont give in to the scum! YOU KNOW THE SCORE!

[bumpkinbeans]

give it 10 more years and then see how the ob will close down an illegal .u ain,t seen nothing yet .the anti is being upped by the state .babylon hates us and middle england is demanding action .if u party illegally u have got to expect that this sort of thing is to become the norm from now on .when the powers from above want a rave closed down then it will be closed down .end of .if u fight back u could end up with a spell inside .all over a fucking party .