Dragon Festival 2009

[vanessadaaluz]

Well I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MADDNESS AND GUESS WOT I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!! NO I DONT TAKE DRUGS OR DRINK AND GET WANKERED BUT AFTER SEEING THE SANITIZED EXCUSE FOR FESTIVALS IN ENGLAND LAST SUMMER I REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THE DRAGON IS. FREEDOM IS VITAL ,SELF RESPOSIBILITY IS VITAL . THE HEART OF THE DRAGON IS HERE HELP US MAKE EVEN BETTER COME WITH YOUR CREATIVE SPIRIT YOU WILL BE WELCOME. STUFF THE OLD FARTS WHO DON,T WANT IT IF THEY PUT MORE ENERGY INTO POSITIVE VIBES THE WORLD WOULD BE A HAPPIER PLACE. SEE YOU IN MARCH XXXXXXXXXX

[ellie]

I know nothing about the Dragon Festival but SU27FLANKER...you should write a book! that read so beautifully!

[SU27FLANKER]

Thanks Ellie, there is a short story or two.

"FREEDOM IS VITAL ,SELF RESPOSIBILITY IS VITAL . THE HEART OF THE DRAGON IS HERE HELP US MAKE EVEN BETTER COME WITH YOUR CREATIVE SPIRIT YOU WILL BE WELCOME. STUFF THE OLD FARTS WHO DON,T WANT IT IF THEY PUT MORE ENERGY INTO POSITIVE VIBES THE WORLD WOULD BE A HAPPIER PLACE. SEE YOU IN MARCH"

As to the above drivel, see my first post re naivety and responsibility (or even RESPOSIBILITY)

So "freedom is vital", but anyone who doesn't agree is an old fart????!!!
Hello! Engage the brain.Have a reality check. It will take rather more than a vibe or two to change the reality of the Dragon, see my first post, it says it all.

[General Lighting]

all those people what say "it will / should still happen" remind me of the attitudes around the East of England until 2007 or so..

what is interesting here is the anti's aren't your normal middle aged local nimbys like in England. Many are themselves artists, creative people who have seen a good thing grow too big.

I have no right whatsoever as a foreign national to influence a decision directly in another country, but I think there should be a public meeting hosted by the elected representatives of the local council to decide the way forward.

However much positive spin people put on this or any other large "teknival", they represent simply a large crowd invading a EU nation mob-handed, and albeit temporarily rendering its law enforcement and local social structures essentially powerless. Whilst in the case of a large rave it may seem relatively harmless, the very fact this can happen could have more sinister overtones as Europe becomes less stable due to economic and political pressures.

It would be better than the Guardia Civil being eventually tasked to sort it out which is what will eventually happen.

[crs1138]

Originally posted by vanessadaaluz

Well I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MADDNESS AND GUESS WOT I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!! NO I DONT TAKE DRUGS OR DRINK AND GET WANKERED BUT AFTER SEEING THE SANITIZED EXCUSE FOR FESTIVALS IN ENGLAND LAST SUMMER I REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THE DRAGON IS. FREEDOM IS VITAL ,SELF RESPOSIBILITY IS VITAL . THE HEART OF THE DRAGON IS HERE HELP US MAKE EVEN BETTER COME WITH YOUR CREATIVE SPIRIT YOU WILL BE WELCOME. STUFF THE OLD FARTS WHO DON,T WANT IT IF THEY PUT MORE ENERGY INTO POSITIVE VIBES THE WORLD WOULD BE A HAPPIER PLACE. SEE YOU IN MARCH XXXXXXXXXX

Where is a border to your freedom? It is, where you are violating other people's freedom and guess wot it actualy makes you a fascist by doing that... So just think about it

[SU27FLANKER]

Originally posted by crs1138

Where is a border to your freedom? It is, where you are violating other people's freedom and guess wot it actualy makes you a fascist by doing that... So just think about it

Yeah, that's what I just said. Violating other people's freedom is not a kind thing to do and that is what the huge crowd of people, cars, turds, dogs, and cops do.The point is responsibility, there is NOTHING positive about the dragon as it is except that it is huge fun. Folk need to be honest about their pleasure. My point was that people were pretending that there were positive aspects to a massive uncontrolled piss up involving thousands in the dark and there just aren't. Those who enjoy the dragon need to be honest thats all . We enjoy ourselves at the expense of others. That is a fact. Most seem to be able to live with it. Let's just leave out the hypocrisy.

Go well, F

[bristol kt]

am i missing somthing? it was about this time last year when word came from the disorganisers that help was needed from the friends and family of the dragon. if the dragon was to continue then the issues of rubbish and sanitation needed to be dealt with, so we, the party people of bristol came together and fundraised a grand for that very thing. does nobody remember the skips that were fully utilised, overflowing and removed!!!!!!!! the disorganisers bigged us up and we were so chuffed that it had clearly made a difference. so we were just starting to plan a bigger better fundraiser for this forthcoming dragon when we hear rumors that the dragons future is being debated over issues such as rubbish. it seems like some people just want to talk about problems not solutions. if some people dont want the dragon dont make it about litter. can not more people do what we did last year, the dragon belongs to everybody, therefor it is everybodies responsibilty to sort it out! so many people come from all over to the dragon; harness that energy and find the solutions. they will be there if you want to find them. if you're in england in feb then come party with us in bristol to raise some more cash, what do you want this year?? 2 grand??!! whatever it takes to clear up the rubbish, we do respect the planet.

[fc mcjake]

Originally posted by vanessadaaluz

Well I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MADDNESS AND GUESS WOT I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!! NO I DONT TAKE DRUGS OR DRINK AND GET WANKERED BUT AFTER SEEING THE SANITIZED EXCUSE FOR FESTIVALS IN ENGLAND LAST SUMMER I REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THE DRAGON IS. FREEDOM IS VITAL ,SELF RESPOSIBILITY IS VITAL . THE HEART OF THE DRAGON IS HERE HELP US MAKE EVEN BETTER COME WITH YOUR CREATIVE SPIRIT YOU WILL BE WELCOME. STUFF THE OLD FARTS WHO DON,T WANT IT IF THEY PUT MORE ENERGY INTO POSITIVE VIBES THE WORLD WOULD BE A HAPPIER PLACE. SEE YOU IN MARCH XXXXXXXXXX

fucking nice one vanessa

[vanessadaaluz]

ok can we make one thing clear charice who has been writing all this negitive shit is a new comer to the area and moved here way after the dragon started along with many folk who have problem with the festi. sorry guys but we all have the freedom to move and make desision about where we live, and lets face it there are so many more wonderful positive people around here that it really doesn,t matter that a few are so down on life. We must carry on revelling in our freedom here, celebrating life and living , Anyone who missed the beautiful greenfield, lux area and other lush things goin on was obviously to drunk to notice the great vibe or had dissaperred so far thier own arse they missed the point oh and the skips. big cheer to the bristol crew lets keep the dragon alive thanks for all your positive vibes . big love vanessa xxxxxxxxx

[vanessadaaluz]

BOO HOO name calling and outraged ,nice sensibilities. I live at ciggy and have done for 6 years, each year I clear up the rubbish, to me it is worth it to see a celebration of independance and continuation of a free festival scene I have been part of for 25 years.

The whole situation is complicated, but b4 you whine on about individual liberty ,take a look at the freedom you have compared to so many others, surely we should be taking advantage of our ability to celebrate life ,not dividing into petty factions.

Nothing is perfect but i would rather try and improve things than just give up and cry ,not on my doorstep.

Remember we are talking about very few people against the dragon, compared to how many people who are inspired,changed and shown different ways to be, we bravely embrace the dragon.Sure it,s hard work but thousands of people work just as hard getting here.
Cheers to everone who comes.

You ARE the festival, see you next year!

MARKA.

[crs1138]

Originally posted by vanessadaaluz

ok can we make one thing clear charice who has been writing all this negitive shit is a new comer to the area and moved here way after the dragon started along with many folk who have problem with the festi. sorry guys but we all have the freedom to move and make desision about where we live, and lets face it there are so many more wonderful positive people around here that it really doesn,t matter that a few are so down on life. We must carry on revelling in our freedom here, celebrating life and living , Anyone who missed the beautiful greenfield, lux area and other lush things goin on was obviously to drunk to notice the great vibe or had dissaperred so far thier own arse they missed the point oh and the skips. big cheer to the bristol crew lets keep the dragon alive thanks for all your positive vibes . big love vanessa xxxxxxxxx

I might be a newcomer to you Vanessa, you are a newcomer to the Spanish...anyway I have been in the area long enough to see the dragon hypocrisy through. Sad enough you can't see it yourself after so many years.

And the skips...actually it was me and Jacquie who collected the money (asking every moneymaking venture for contribution) to pay for skips and I handed them to Alex, when it came to it... Bristol crew payed for fencing etc, which was needed before the festival...if anyone wants to know, I have no problem with publishing the bills, I have a clear conscience.

SU27FLANKER>exactly

[kabeja61]

Originally posted by cloudofunknow

Will it? Won't it?

This is the debate:

There are, it appears, around 10 people who live in Los Cigarrones near to the festival that don't want the festival to happen in 2009. They say (they can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's an environmental disaster, they say its a health risk, they say its noisy.

They do not want the Dragon Festival to go ahead in 2009. They don't realise that people will turn up anyway - they have for 11 years.

There are also another 10 people who live in and around Los Cigarrones near to the festival who definitely do want the festival to happen. They think that with a bit of co-operation and and some donations, the site and thus the festival could be made safe and go ahead.

This is the place for the views from the don't's and the do's.

So should the 10 or so people stop the festival for the thousands who attend ? I doubt if that will happen. Why not go and take a break at the costa for a week or so.

As for an enviromental disaster ! Que ? Ciggarones is a riverbed which has been systematically stripped for many years by the Falange quarry people, that to me is more of an enviromental issue. Maybe the 10 [as opposed to the Cantenera 4] should do something about that.

In what respect is it a health risk ? Whenever or where ever you have a gathering of thousands of people there is a health risk, minimising the risk is the answer.

Noisy ! noisy ! Of course it's noisy, it's a festival.

I agree with the residents who live there who want it to happen that with cooperation and donations the site and festival can be safe. The 2008 Drag on was a lot better organised by the dis organisers who managed to stop most vehicles going through the site simply by requesting drivers to park on the Tablones side of site, virtually every driver saw the sense in this and did so. The skips were brilliant and well used. The shit pits are not ideal but again were well utilised by the vast majority of people and the fliers handed out about shitting certainly seemed to have an effect. More education about shitting in the campo would be useful.

I'm a do person.

[kabeja61]

Originally posted by mushroom

I would like the festival to go ahead, but tbh I think there's too many hardcore bleedin' techno sound systems, usually 24/7 which you can hear clearly in the nearest village (Los Tablones), and too much of that heavy English brew crew element to it as well. This is probably not what the people at Los Cigaronnes intended it to be, but if these sound systems turn up then who can stop them? Problem with the free festival...:/

I've been twice and think the people at cigaronnes are lovely, they looked after us well but industrial harcore thrash at full volume all bloody night even before the festival's started is not my idea of a free festival, freedom is also about respect for others, otherwise freedom becomes tyranny.

While the industrial hardcore thrashy systems are not my cup of tea either the music has been changing over the last few years with a lot more live music and performance thanks to the likes of The Green Field, Aqua Libre, Lux etc. and i've had no problem getting out of earshot of the techno shit. The best for me last year was a couple of hours non stop dancing at the Aqua Libre set up to a brilliant set of punk, ska and reggaey set.
The Drugon is developing and is very much alive and getting more diverse. If it had been taken over by the huge rigs of a few years back it would be dead by now.

[kabeja61]

Originally posted by welly

After 10 years I'm sure lots of people have changed and their ideas of a good night have changed, so it is inevitable that what they see as a good festival will change. However for some maybe lots this will be their fisrt experience of a propper free festival so for them the joy of 24 hour noise pollution for 4 or 5 days is pure heaven. The vibe has always been about just doing it with people /rigs turning up and what will be will be. There has also been ego's over sizes of rigs and unheard pleas for people to limit it to 10k. We all know how given the chance for a moment of freedom we always, always want to push it and turn things up.

I'll be going and I know others who will be going, lots of people will share the view that the land/ space doesn't belong to anyone so it should and will happen.

All the above has nothing to do with the environmental impact. It is the responsibiility of everyone who attends any party to clean up their rubbish. Parties are diy events and the same goes for rubbish we create. Cleaning up is a minimum, in many ways we should leave places cleaner than when we arrived. If people took responsibility for their actions then we would have a stronger force behind our arguement and people might be able to party more in the uk rather than traveling to spain.

The only valid reason for not having the Dragon festival is because it encourages people to fly!

While i think your post is somewhat niaeve i do think the skips at 2008 made a massive difference and showed me that if people had access to them they would generally use them, it was the same with the can and bottle banks which were full. The Diss Organisers have taken this onboard and again the festival has evolved forward positively. In my experience if people are given the facilities to dispose of their rubbish they will use them.

[kabeja61]

Originally posted by aguadulce

I don't understand it, hehe.

Dragon Festival is really something unique in spain. From my point of view the only reason for not doing it is that it distubes some people. I really regret doing things that mean to molest others.
It would be lovely to be able to make people who don't like the dragon to happen(I guess the people who live permanently around Orgiva, and they're totally in their right) realize what the dragon means; in that direction I would like to help and do something.

Big regards to all!

You could help next year if it goes ahead by doing a few hours stewarding or rubbish picking.
Also the many, many people who live permantly around Orgiva who understand and enjoy the festival are totally in their rights to enjoy it.

I think i'm right to say the vast majority of people who attend the festival are Spanish and don't fly.