Police Car SMASHED at Rave

[Stevie_big_words]

Originally posted by Meltown

the fact that theres a cctv camera sitting staring out the front and back windows videoing everyone smashing the car up,

partys still going tho, aparently

y he didn't ask some ravers to jump start him or call for backup i don't know, just goes to show there as scared of us as we are of them

didn't see any camera's in the front or back and had a look for em, no one stole anything either. Also try asking 60 or so wasted ppl surrounding ur car shouting "fuck off pigs" for a jump start.....?? one of the dudes that smashed it up i no is an idiot and loadsa ppl no him so its no doubt that he'll be recieving some kinda trouble.

On a lighter note tho, FAT PARTY!! niiiice rig playing niiiiiiice sounds all night, shame the weather didnt hold up but didnt really seem to bother me at the time !! anyone no if the rig got out ok?? some Ob car tried to ram my mates car wen we were gettin there in the convoy, then wen he was chattin to us he was still smacking on the window with his fist and a batton raised above his head!! he told us we'd be arrested if we came bac to the site and we should go this way.... followed the way he sed and ended up right behind the rig van and crew!! haha nice one ob...

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by Stevie_big_words

Some Ob car tried to ram my mates car wen we were gettin there in the convoy,

I witnessed this bad driving as well. In fact it drove at speed past and rather dangerously past a lot of parked cars including the vehicle I was in

I remember having to very quickly close the open door and shout

"*** (name deleted), POLICE UNIT COMING THROUGH NOW!" so my mate didn't get squashed by the door...(I do tend to slip into official govt/military terminology in crisis situations, thats what 4 years of working for Whitehall (in a previous job) does to you..)

it doesn't excuse one bit the idiot who trashed the cop car (and probably wasn't even from my county) but I think both sides were getting a bit overzealous earlier in the night

A rumour was also going round of armed units with baton rounds potentially being deployed although I would have thought this was very unlikely as they are very rarely used outside Northern Ireland or firearms/siege situations

by the morning we got the impression that everyone had "come to their senses" a bit and was shocked by what went on last night - even the cops!

BTW I am a Council Tax payer in this county and consider the level of Police action to be inappropriate use of our resources - all those traffic cars would have been far better used keeping an eye on the A14 in the ropey weather on Sunday than unsuccessfully chasing people across a disused airfield just because a few middle englanders whinge about a rave they couldn't even hear in the end!

[Joe667]

Says it all really when one of them has a stella box on his head...



At least someone stood up to him!

[Stevie_big_words]

yeh well enough of us no who he is so i'll report back once he gets knicked!

[Dr Bunsen]

There's no excuse for this kind of thing, letting it happen or letting the party continue after it has. Everyone there was responsible to some degree.. Seeing this makes me blody sick!

[$erial-Thrilla]

I was at this party but didnt touch the car. didnt even see it until about 10 in the morning. was enjoying the music way too much,

dont agree with what they did though. all they had to do was leave it alone and show we're not complete animals and do have some respect.

[Dr Bunsen]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...m?bw=nb&mp=rm#

[Lillyana]

Originally posted by General Lighting

yes, indeed, and even after it was doing the opposite in the early 90s - the breweries fought back, fought hard and regained control over the nightlife..



I'd agree with that for the mid to late 80s (both at "street level" and the "alternative scene") but things in my area (SE England/London/East Anglia) and my peer groups definitely did change for the better from about 1990 to 1992.

Me and my mates found that the rave scene and music did give us at least a few hours/days of positive thinking each week; yes we did some dodgy or criminal things and there was a bit of a blagging culture (shoplifting, petty theft etc) but there was also principles - we never robbed dwelling houses or used violence and a fight amongst our group was extremely rare (about one every year if that)

We didn't like rules or authority and certainly weren't fond of the Police, but when partying there was some "unwritten set of rules". Not quite the sickly-sweet American-inspired "PLUR" type things but a sort of modernised version of "gentlemanly conduct/chivalry"....

This euphoria didn't last that long (by 1993 things were returning to "normal") but it was there and remains a turning point in my life.


I have only known of a handful of rigs to be robbed with violence (mostly in inner cities although I think it once happened in Devon) since the scene started - this is a very isolated risk indeed and most of the people who did such things were the sort of gangsters who now tend to prey on the commercial UK garage scene (or are thankfully either dead or in prison).

In inner cities such as London or Bristol robberies and thefts are still a problem, although many are due to k-heads being easy targets for opportunists.

I don't think there actually is enough money or bling to attract serious gangsters to small raves held in remote areas, otherwise one would have already have been properly shot up or firebombed by now. TBH the large bulk of the people who attend unlicensed raves aren't anything like that at all.

What has definitely increased in the last 6-7 years is the sort of problem a "pissed up townie lad" would cause at a rave - pointless scuffles over girls, domestic arguments in public, people using raves to settle old scores.

I wonder if its also because town venues are getting more robust at banning and ejecting idiots, who somehow end up finding free parties.

I still think it can be combatted by people being a bit more careful about their circles of friends; people don't randomly drive about the countryside looking for raves, someone has to have told them the area where the party is.

I know it sounds harsh/élitist but I have had to do this before with people I know who get too drunk and see the "freedom" of a party as a freedom to act like an idiot.. (and some have actually understood why I did it and respected me for doing so)

To be honest - and I know this is an old thread (I am new and wanted to share too) I have witnessed more of the latter - i.e violence toward rig and rig owners. One such was an 06' stomp in Luton which ended in a bloody mess. Some travellers came at day break circling on quads trying to steal the rig. We attempted to stop them as a group but they came back tooled up. Someone ended up getting smashed with a hammer. Then came the OB and Helicopter - I was incredibly frightened, this went on for over an hour as they tried to surround all the party goers. Horrible, horrible situation.

I trained as a nurse @ Uni and always go for a stomp and 9 times out of 10 I will end up helping someone that may be injured due to the 'yob' culture we seem to be living in. Whether it be a scuffle within the ranks or someone purposefully attempting to hurt people. Unfortunately - the people that are there for the love of the sound, dance and atmosphere are dwinddling and being replaced by young chavs who really want to go somewhere out of hours to take drugs and cause trouble. The stigma attached to the free party scene is growing && this saddens me. I have not been going as long as some veterans. But have been for the last 4yrs and even I have seen things change.

I firmly believe it is people ruining things, and obviously because these events are un-manned and not full of pretentious egotistic bouncers we do not have the power to eject a particular trouble maker as this would only spark a nasty situation - with the chance that whoever was ejected would return with more people, or even involve OB. I see it as a no win, unless people keep their parties private with the same faces. Going for atmosphere instead of numbers.

IMO I have always had the best time at some smaller scale stomps.

Lilly x

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by Lillyana

To be honest - and I know this is an old thread (I am new and wanted to share too) I have witnessed more of the latter - i.e violence toward rig and rig owners. One such was an 06' stomp in Luton which ended in a bloody mess. Some travellers came at day break circling on quads trying to steal the rig. We attempted to stop them as a group but they came back tooled up. Someone ended up getting smashed with a hammer. Then came the OB and Helicopter - I was incredibly frightened, this went on for over an hour as they tried to surround all the party goers. Horrible, horrible situation.

this is a long running and unresolved dispute although confined to groups in a certain area of SE England. both sides have fought their corner equally hard (at a more recent skirmishes the travellers were overpowered, but they aren't giving up)

It also seems that the cops "miraculously" arrive and encourage the party to stop before anyone gets too badly hurt - I expect its may even be panicked girls calling 999 or even Ambulance notifying them for protection but maybe its actually a necessity in these situations, or one day a life will be lost.

worst of all it is invariably TVP or Beds who have a dim view of raves anyway and it "proves their point" that they can be unsafe

I trained as a nurse @ Uni and always go for a stomp and 9 times out of 10 I will end up helping someone that may be injured due to the 'yob' culture we seem to be living in. Whether it be a scuffle within the ranks or someone purposefully attempting to hurt people.

if you are partying at the "crossover point" between SE England and East Anglia, 98% of these injuries are genuine accidents. Most of the time its due to skylarking whilst on ketamine and slips/trips/falls, but the injuries can be nasty (especially falls from height) and in some cases life-changing.

But as I said I have noticed a undercurrent of actual aggression at more recent raves (in the exact timescale you mention).

Our local emergency planning committee (suffolk) and the NHS trusts consider raves to be potential major incident/problem areas due to the risk of these incidents. in many cases it is difficult for Ambulance to access these areas when bad things do happen, and although the ravers do assist them in these cases its still viewed (understandably) an extra burden and cost on NHS which no one contributes towards unlike licensed events.

[redneck]

Originally posted by BioTech

Not that I should really give a shit because my enthusiasm for parties has died over the last years for reasons such as this.

same as that mate.

just reading a few reports of this weekend and once again I'm glad I stayed home.
partying for me was all about bouncing about, big smiles on faces, everyone buzzing on good pills.
it all got a bit dark and skanky in the mid 90's and my enthusiasm has been dying off ever since.
shame.


only just realised this thread's a year old, doh!

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by redneck

it all got a bit dark and skanky in the mid 90's and my enthusiasm has been dying off ever since.
shame.

hmm - in my area it picked up in the early blair era (yes, blair) from 1997 until about 2002 and you were getting back to that original vibe - East Anglia's parties and to a lesser extent SE England were still good until very recently - I think its more angry youths what fucked it up even than the Police..

[redneck]

Originally posted by General Lighting

hmm - in my area it picked up in the early blair era (yes, blair) from 1997 until about 2002 and you were getting back to that original vibe - East Anglia's parties and to a lesser extent SE England were still good until very recently - I think its more angry youths what fucked it up even than the Police..

I heard that there were a lot of good parties out that way yeah.
I left the country for a while when they brought in the CJB.
I think the quality and type of drugs had a lot to do with it too though.
In the early days people just did pills and had no need for anything else.
when the quality dropped off a bit we started doing more alcohol, coke etc, then ket arrived on the scene and it's been a right fucking mess ever since as far as I can see.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by redneck

I think the quality and type of drugs had a lot to do with it too though.In the early days people just did pills and had no need for anything else.when the quality dropped off a bit we started doing more alcohol, coke etc, then ket arrived on the scene and it's been a right fucking mess ever since as far as I can see.

I think the overuse of ket is a problem but at the same time there is still loads of good MDMA about, and even some decent pills in some areas

In the mid 90s there was a bit of crap about and also the early 90s as the cops actually managed to stop some supply chains, but it picked up again

If people get trustworthy connections, drugs are no worse than they were in 1991-2 (there was loads of just dud pills then, plus some ones what made people very ill) and IMO there are more party chemicals about than ever before.

I suspect a lot of people are either partying for the wrong reasons, or burning themselves out too young, suffering mood swings etc and not resting when they should...

[redneck]

Originally posted by General Lighting

In the mid 90s there was a bit of crap about and also the early 90s as the cops actually managed to stop some supply chains, but it picked up again

If people get trustworthy connections, drugs are no worse than they were in 1991-2 (there was loads of just dud pills then, plus some ones what made people very ill)

true but when a good batch of pills did hit a party that's when we had the really good times wasnt it.
i remember (a good few times) looking around at hundreds of people who were all on the exactly the same vibe and they're still some of the best memories of my life.
we were all too fucked to do anything apart from dance.
that's what it was all about for me.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by redneck

true but when a good batch of pills did hit a party that's when we had the really good times wasnt it.
i remember (a good few times) looking around at hundreds of people who were all on the exactly the same vibe and they're still some of the best memories of my life.
we were all too fucked to do anything apart from dance.
that's what it was all about for me.

there were parties like that in the 21st century too, not that long ago, even despite all the ket. I've been to some parties very recently (even at the start of last year) thanks to one of the lads in this thread and his missus, and in some respects it was like being 19 again, no kidding....

These problems affecting the scene in East Anglia are very recent. There seems to be overreactions and stupidity on both sides, ravers and the normal public/cops, plus a lot of outside influences. It was slowly getting bad from about 2004 and has come to a head now.

Its like everyone has lost their common sense and is being stubborn. Some of the more recent venue choices/parties haven't been the most sensible of plans..

OK the cops can put riot cops into every party and shut it down (it looks like they do have the money and resources) and maybe it protects a few fields/forests but of course the youths won't miraculously become supporters of law and order - it is just going to encourage more young people to sit at home or in their towns and drink / do loads of K and perhaps get into anti-social behaviour, or addicted to far worse drugs.

[djgreenbag]

Originally posted by Digital-A

on SJ there is some discussion over cameras in cars, SJ as per is full of foul language and blokes admitting to being involved in it so wondered if anyone on here had a better insight into the cop car cctv.

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

[DJCliffy]

Originally posted by djgreenbag

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

If it really was you who smashed that car up then what on earth possessed you to do that? Fucking childish mate imo.

[Angel]

Originally posted by djgreenbag

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

Good boy

Hope you're proud of yourself

[ellie]

Originally posted by djgreenbag

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

anyone who says "it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental", whether they did or didnt, is obviously going to think SJ is better!



just had my first good look on SJ and they are all so angry! can't put a point across without swearing and being abussive IMO

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by djgreenbag

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

well done mate.

[sheffield-junglist]

y he didn't ask some ravers to jump start him or call for backup i don't know, just goes to show there as scared of us as we are of them

Innit, I'm sure someone would have given him one, I know I would have (If I had a car that is)

I can imagine how it would be unnerving though, having to ask loads of "Criminals" for help

[down-n-dirty]

we as a party collective need to really look out for ourselves, be that not destroying an old bill car for fun or whether that be not destroying our own cars, only this weekend my car was broken inot by a fellow "raver" and the theiving scum only took my coat, missed the sat nav in the boot and my mobile in the glove box, this was a party near cambridge, attended by all the bumpkins, although they can throw a good party they need to sort it out and start to repsect peoples rights...... and even tho it pains me to say it they need to show the ob sum respect. i hate em as much as the next man but we all need to show sum backbone and unite against them rather than giving them more ammo to close us down.

[Dr Bunsen]

[MisterDuck]

Originally posted by djgreenbag

Sj is better and it was me i put a stella box on my head and went mental

i wish i was like you

wait a minute

no i don't

[Craigie]

But really what is the point in that, Even though he recons police smashed his house up which i highly doubt, Still the other hundred plus people there dont need police raiding it.

Silly boy