Ketamine: The Real Health Impact!

[General Lighting]

trying to dumb down the problem or saying its "boring" won't make it go away.

I started this thread nearly two years ago because of two friends of mine from my old area who suffered increasingly serious medical problems due to excessive K usage. they have made a "recovery" as such (i.e they aren't dead and their internal organs haven't been totally destroyed) - but from what I heard they will suffer various health issues for the rest of their lives..

if you don't like the bad news you don't have to read it but you don't have a right to complain about about people discussing real problems. The only reason there are so many threads about K on this and many other forums is because the whole party/alternative/drugs scene is starting to revolve around it...

[Diceface]

hear hear

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

its more an issue of the mindsets between the use of "legal" and "recreational" drugs.

if someone is prescribed drugs such as beta blockers not out of choice but out of necessity and they either don't work or have to many side effects, they will be the first to come running to the NHS and complaining about their treatment. Some people even choose not to take essential drugs because of side effects and even die because of this..

Also the stuff what the NHS gets is produced to very strict standards indeed, and those administering it have been taught how to minimise the risks as much as possible. Hence any legal drugs although they have risks often have less than regular recreational usage.

with recreational drugs there is an even bigger unknown, as to how they have been produced/what they have been cut with.

Also the other problem is because some people are rebellious/stubborn they simply refuse to accept their drug use is harming themselves and others, and will not self-regulate their use. TBH I'm amazed at the pain people seem prepared to put themselves through (bladder problems /cramp etc) simply to continue being able to use ketamine.

well the beta blocker coment was perposly far on the extream of life saving drugs with no recreational use known. .... the thing is .. any thing in exsess is bad weather it be drugs or not ... we all have to eat to live .. you eat loads of food every day .. it's not neseaseraly a good thing ... it's all quantifiable really ... some drugs are really bad in small doeses .. some things you have to take a shit load of for them to start becoming a problem ... but if you cain some thing no matter what it is its gonna fuck you up eventualy .... some things quicker than others ...there for sugesting that some are worce than others and you can't say all drugs are as bad as each other .. ket may be worce than or better than some drugs .. but not the same as all of them ... this is the point i am making ... as i say .. if you do loads of ket .. your gonna have problems ... same goes with any thing ... if you work out too much .. eventualy you will become musclebound and you movement will be restricted .. you eat too much you become fat ... you do too much ket you bladder gets shredded .... it's all relative.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

. ket may be worce than or better than some drugs .. but not the same as all of them ... this is the point i am making ... as i say .. if you do loads of ket .. your gonna have problems ... same goes with any thing ... if you work out too much .. eventualy you will become musclebound and you movement will be restricted .. you eat too much you become fat ... you do too much ket you bladder gets shredded .... it's all relative.

true, but it just seems that without the guidance from the nanny state, the NHS or even paranoia of getting busted by the feds, too many people overdo any recreational drugs they can obtain.

I do have a lot of family connections with the NHS (how else do you think a IT/telecoms engineer who fixes machines and not people knows all this medical stuff ? ) and I've been researching the history of recreational drug use in Britain over the last 100 years.

the harsh facts are that people have been given over the years the chance to self regulate and have repeatedly fucked up. This is with every drug from alcohol to amfetamines, MDMA, ket and coke/heroin. Some of the illegal drugs were even once legal until recreational users brought things on top. You could get amfetamines and even some opiates at British pharmacies legally well until the 1970s.

10 years ago just after this site started I thought we were nearly reaching a time of enlightenment, and that in the next generation we would see a total change and the decriminalisation of drugs at least across the EU nations.

Sadly after seeing what happened when cannabis got decriminalised and what happened with ket (and as I have mentioned on a number of ocassions I was once a regular if not a compulsive user myself) I think we are now at least two generations away from this. (our one hope is surprisingly China, as the actions of youths in this nation can make an impact across the world).

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

true, but it just seems that without the guidance from the nanny state, the NHS or even paranoia of getting busted by the feds, too many people overdo any recreational drugs they can obtain.

I do have a lot of family connections with the NHS (how else do you think a IT/telecoms engineer who fixes machines and not people knows all this medical stuff ? ) and I've been researching the history of recreational drug use in Britain over the last 100 years.

the harsh facts are that people have been given over the years the chance to self regulate and have repeatedly fucked up. This is with every drug from alcohol to amfetamines, MDMA, ket and coke/heroin. Some of the illegal drugs were even once legal until recreational users brought things on top. You could get amfetamines and even some opiates at British pharmacies legally well until the 1970s.

10 years ago just after this site started I thought we were nearly reaching a time of enlightenment, and that in the next generation we would see a total change and the decriminalisation of drugs at least across the EU nations.

Sadly after seeing what happened when cannabis got decriminalised and what happened with ket (and as I have mentioned on a number of ocassions I was once a regular if not a compulsive user myself) I think we are now at least two generations away from this. (our one hope is surprisingly China, as the actions of youths in this nation can make an impact across the world).

see this is the problem .. it's more about the effects of drugs when over used that are bad ... and as you say people have a tendancy to get carried away with them selves and be greedy ... imo this sais more about people than drugs .. alltho i can't argue that some drugs aren't addictive as they blatently are .. i can argue that people need to be alot stronger willed. i also belive that if the wourld wasn't so fucked up for many people then the need for them to cain drugs in there mind wouldn't be as great .. and self regulation would be alot easyer

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

see this is the problem .. it's more about the effects of drugs when over used that are bad ... and as you say people have a tendancy to get carried away with them selves and be greedy ... imo this sais more about people than drugs .. alltho i can't argue that some drugs aren't addictive as they blatently are .. i can argue that people need to be alot stronger willed. i also belive that if the wourld wasn't so fucked up for many people then the need for them to cain drugs in there mind wouldn't be as great .. and self regulation would be alot easyer

yeah thats the main thing. I wish I understood enough Chinese to read whatever the equivalent of PV is out there (or that those citizens of China who occasionally post here would use their English skills to join our community rather than just spam stuff!) as they seem to be self-regulating a lot better than some Western nations!

Their govt, contrary to every other SE / Eastern Asian nation is actually becoming more lenient - given where many of the K addicts mentioned in this thread are from this is a significant development.

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

yeah thats the main thing. I wish I understood enough Chinese to read whatever the equivalent of PV is out there (or that those citizens of China who occasionally post here would use their English skills to join our community rather than just spam stuff!) as they seem to be self-regulating a lot better than some Western nations!

Their govt, contrary to every other SE / Eastern Asian nation is actually becoming more lenient - given where many of the K addicts mentioned in this thread are from this is a significant development.

and the thing is with drugs atm is if you have a seriose problem the help structure isn't there .. or if it is then people don't wish to seak it out as much as they would if they didn't have the fear of getting arrested and locked up for admiting they have done drugs .. even if the people wouldn't get arrested for it (as people dont generaly get arrested for seeking help) people still have hang ups about talking to people in a position to help them about there drug problems as it is still seen as a seriously bad thing to be on drugs and still carries a prisson centance.

[Yamaha1990]

There's such an underground feeling about it, it's like taboo to so many people and they get really unnerved when ya mention so if ya have a problem with it no-one wants to hear it and if they do ya know there just looking down on ya. Dooschbags...

Government lets it happen so freely but isn't there to pick up its own pieces...

[process]

i really do not get people that carry on taking k when they get those k-cramps. From what people have described it sounds like agony. If i knew something i was doing was causin myself that sort of pain i would fuck it right off. i hardly do pills/md anymore cause i get bad comedowns and can feel really down the next week. surely its easy saying no in that sort of situation?
Also how the fuck do people manage to get through 3g's+ of ket a day?! ive probably done it at a festival i should think at some point, but day in day out? surely they cant be holding down a job doing that? and if they havent got a job how can they afford it? i know its cheap, but still... its not like they could be dealing it either cause they'll have probably had it all themselves or be incapable of functioning in order to sell it. fucked up.

[Diceface]

Originally posted by djprocess

i really do not get people that carry on taking k when they get those k-cramps. From what people have described it sounds like agony. If i knew something i was doing was causin myself that sort of pain i would fuck it right off. i hardly do pills/md anymore cause i get bad comedowns and can feel really down the next week. surely its easy saying no in that sort of situation?
Also how the fuck do people manage to get through 3g's+ of ket a day?! ive probably done it at a festival i should think at some point, but day in day out? surely they cant be holding down a job doing that? and if they havent got a job how can they afford it? i know its cheap, but still... its not like they could be dealing it either cause they'll have probably had it all themselves or be incapable of functioning in order to sell it. fucked up.

ketamines pretty addictive mate. ive been suffering from k cramps the last couple of days (my first k cramp attacks ever) but because we get K in bulk amount up here, i keep sniffin. its a bit like if youve got a big bag of weed, or coke - your gonna stay high till its all gone arent u. its ridiculously addicitive! As far holdin down a job goes, i work shifts in a place where there are other k heads working there too, the tollerence builds up so you can still work at a good pace even though your a bit wobbly.

[Diceface]

whats the best meds to treat stomach cramps??? ive got hold of some gaviscon & rennies hopefuly it will pass ive felt the pain for the last 2 days its like mike tysons been using me belly as a punch bag

[process]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Energy

whats the best meds to treat stomach cramps??? ive got hold of some gaviscon & rennies hopefuly it will pass ive felt the pain for the last 2 days its like mike tysons been using me belly as a punch bag

its not that funny mate. a mate of a mate had to have her bladder scrapped cause of k. Also it might be mentally addictive, but not physical. You've just gotta think fuck it and stop. Id have thought that K cramps would have been that catalyst. If i ever experience them im gonna cut my use right down. I only use maybe a couple of g if that and only at the weekends, sometimes not for a few weeks so hopefully i shouldnt get em. As far as i know gaviscon and rennie are for indigestion, so cant really see them working. when i had really bad food poisening and had savage stomach cramps i got given really strong codiene, but you dont really want to be taking them to get over k cramps when instead you could just cut back a bit on the wonk.

[acidpunk]

K is deffinately mentally addictive,last litre me and mrs acid got ,didnt leave home(except to shop)for over a weekk land just kept calling!not had the cramps thing as now only do it sporadically

[Diceface]

fortunately the meds i bought have helped alot and the sore tummys completely gone for now. fucking relief cos wen i woke up to go to work this morning i could barely move and yea it aint funny rele. i think K makes acid build up in your stomach wich makes it hurt like fuck, my mate (who does more k than me) had a stomach ulcer and spent a week in hospital luckily hes allright now but chose to start sniffin again straight after his recovery, that how addicitve it is! ketamine really removes your mind from your body and everything else going on around you so a little thing like a sore tummy isnt enuff to stop most people from sniffin more. the meds i got take care of the acidy belly (aswell as indigestion) thank lord! theres isnt much K left going about up here so this weekend we'll probly sniff the last of it and then it'll be time for a long break from it. thts kinda how we do it up ere.
and yea bladder problems are common but thankfully i have healthy kidneys cos i barely drink n e thing except for cranberry juice and water these days. No burning piss as of yet!

[process]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Energy

ketamines pretty addictive mate. ive been suffering from k cramps the last couple of days (my first k cramp attacks ever) but because we get K in bulk amount up here, i keep sniffin. its a bit like if youve got a big bag of weed, or coke - your gonna stay high till its all gone arent u. its ridiculously addicitive! As far holdin down a job goes, i work shifts in a place where there are other k heads working there too, the tollerence builds up so you can still work at a good pace even though your a bit wobbly.

as far as doing it till its all gone, i think i had to teach myself self control when i used to have easy access to rugs. if the only thing regulating your habit is whether you can get it or not, then thats not a good situation to be in. i can turn down a line of coke, dont do pills/md anymore and stopped smoking weed. Im not being all wow check me out, but just saying its only a matter of saying no. personally i didnt find it that hard stopping those things cause once it clicked that they werent doing me any favours it felt like a relief stopping them tbh, especially weed. Guess some people just find it hard getting to that point tho.
Dont get me wrong i still like getting wrecked. its just now i know what i can and shouldnt do if i wanna stay happy.

also Where do you work? cause i cant imagine it being the most productive company if your all k-heads!