Ketamine: The Real Health Impact!

[DIONYSUS]

stop doing K everyday, ther's no point it ends up costing your wallet and your body too much. also your tolerance goes up so high that it doesnty even do shit anyway. keep it to the weekends and at least it still has the desired effect and doesnt fuck your body so hard. fuck getting my bladder re-built. no thanks.

[partyy]

Isnt K just as bad as any drugs which are taken?? coz lets face it taking any sort of drug isnt exactly good for you.

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by partyy

Isnt K just as bad as any drugs which are taken?? coz lets face it taking any sort of drug isnt exactly good for you.

wa about beta blockers when you have a bad heart? is that good for you? they are a drug after all.

[General Lighting]

something like beta blockers would have been prescribed by a healthcare professsional. It is in their best interests not to kill you, as they have to do a fuck load of paperwork if they do and its no good for their career prospects.

Recreational drug use is completely unregulated and with many more risks as the dosages and effects aren't well known, and the pleasurable effects mean that people ignore adverse symptoms when a trained professional would take note of these and discontinue the dose.

[ellie]

Originally posted by partyy

lets face it taking any sort of drug isnt exactly good for you.

neither is crossing the road...its all a matter of choice, and weighing up the pro's and con's

Originally posted by partyy

Isnt K just as bad as any drugs which are taken??

i've not done a lot of research, and ive not taken k, but from what ive seen of other people, and read....my answer is no.

but like i said, im no expert.

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

something like beta blockers would have been prescribed by a healthcare professsional. It is in their best interests not to kill you, as they have to do a fuck load of paperwork if they do and its no good for their career prospects.

Recreational drug use is completely unregulated and with many more risks as the dosages and effects aren't well known, and the pleasurable effects mean that people ignore adverse symptoms when a trained professional would take note of these and discontinue the dose.

this is true .. but the point i was making was that it's slightly ignorant to say that all drugs are eqauly as bad ... be them illigal or not .. every drug does some thing diferant to you .. some are worce then others .. you cant just wright one drug off as being "as bad as all the others" because depending on what drug you are talking about, the damaging effects will be less/more than the next drug

[GrassChopper]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

this is true .. but the point i was making was that it's slightly ignorant to say that all drugs are eqauly as bad ... be them illigal or not .. every drug does some thing diferant to you .. some are worce then others .. you cant just wright one drug off as being "as bad as all the others" because depending on what drug you are talking about, the damaging effects will be less/more than the next drug

Exactly. Every drug is different, and each person will react differently to different things.

[DJCliffy]

Originally posted by djprocess

stop doing K everyday, ther's no point it ends up costing your wallet and your body too much. also your tolerance goes up so high that it doesnty even do shit anyway. keep it to the weekends and at least it still has the desired effect and doesnt fuck your body so hard. fuck getting my bladder re-built. no thanks.

Yeah mate give that nasty shit up. tis easy to do, i ain't touched it in fucking ages now. the thought of it now makes me yak!

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by DJCliffy

Yeah mate give that nasty shit up. tis easy to do, i ain't touched it in fucking ages now. the thought of it now makes me yak!

i still like the occasional wobble, just not during the week and only one day at the weekend instead of all three! (at the moment anyway...)

[DJCliffy]

Originally posted by djprocess

i still like the occasional wobble, just not during the week and only one day at the weekend instead of all three! (at the moment anyway...)

Thinking about it i might have a wobble over xmas, finish work on the 19th so might be a laugh!

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by DJCliffy

Thinking about it i might have a wobble over xmas, finish work on the 19th so might be a laugh!

how the mighty have fallen.

[Playground Politics]

K THREADS ARE BOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

[DJCliffy]

Originally posted by djprocess

how the mighty have fallen.

And i probably shall!

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

this is true .. but the point i was making was that it's slightly ignorant to say that all drugs are eqauly as bad ... be them illigal or not .. every drug does some thing diferant to you .. some are worce then others .. you cant just wright one drug off as being "as bad as all the others" because depending on what drug you are talking about, the damaging effects will be less/more than the next drug

its more an issue of the mindsets between the use of "legal" and "recreational" drugs.

if someone is prescribed drugs such as beta blockers not out of choice but out of necessity and they either don't work or have to many side effects, they will be the first to come running to the NHS and complaining about their treatment. Some people even choose not to take essential drugs because of side effects and even die because of this..

Also the stuff what the NHS gets is produced to very strict standards indeed, and those administering it have been taught how to minimise the risks as much as possible. Hence any legal drugs although they have risks often have less than regular recreational usage.

with recreational drugs there is an even bigger unknown, as to how they have been produced/what they have been cut with.

Also the other problem is because some people are rebellious/stubborn they simply refuse to accept their drug use is harming themselves and others, and will not self-regulate their use. TBH I'm amazed at the pain people seem prepared to put themselves through (bladder problems /cramp etc) simply to continue being able to use ketamine.

[CozMik]

PffffFfFfFFFffffff

[General Lighting]

trying to dumb down the problem or saying its "boring" won't make it go away.

I started this thread nearly two years ago because of two friends of mine from my old area who suffered increasingly serious medical problems due to excessive K usage. they have made a "recovery" as such (i.e they aren't dead and their internal organs haven't been totally destroyed) - but from what I heard they will suffer various health issues for the rest of their lives..

if you don't like the bad news you don't have to read it but you don't have a right to complain about about people discussing real problems. The only reason there are so many threads about K on this and many other forums is because the whole party/alternative/drugs scene is starting to revolve around it...

[CozMik]

hear hear

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

its more an issue of the mindsets between the use of "legal" and "recreational" drugs.

if someone is prescribed drugs such as beta blockers not out of choice but out of necessity and they either don't work or have to many side effects, they will be the first to come running to the NHS and complaining about their treatment. Some people even choose not to take essential drugs because of side effects and even die because of this..

Also the stuff what the NHS gets is produced to very strict standards indeed, and those administering it have been taught how to minimise the risks as much as possible. Hence any legal drugs although they have risks often have less than regular recreational usage.

with recreational drugs there is an even bigger unknown, as to how they have been produced/what they have been cut with.

Also the other problem is because some people are rebellious/stubborn they simply refuse to accept their drug use is harming themselves and others, and will not self-regulate their use. TBH I'm amazed at the pain people seem prepared to put themselves through (bladder problems /cramp etc) simply to continue being able to use ketamine.

well the beta blocker coment was perposly far on the extream of life saving drugs with no recreational use known. .... the thing is .. any thing in exsess is bad weather it be drugs or not ... we all have to eat to live .. you eat loads of food every day .. it's not neseaseraly a good thing ... it's all quantifiable really ... some drugs are really bad in small doeses .. some things you have to take a shit load of for them to start becoming a problem ... but if you cain some thing no matter what it is its gonna fuck you up eventualy .... some things quicker than others ...there for sugesting that some are worce than others and you can't say all drugs are as bad as each other .. ket may be worce than or better than some drugs .. but not the same as all of them ... this is the point i am making ... as i say .. if you do loads of ket .. your gonna have problems ... same goes with any thing ... if you work out too much .. eventualy you will become musclebound and you movement will be restricted .. you eat too much you become fat ... you do too much ket you bladder gets shredded .... it's all relative.

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

. ket may be worce than or better than some drugs .. but not the same as all of them ... this is the point i am making ... as i say .. if you do loads of ket .. your gonna have problems ... same goes with any thing ... if you work out too much .. eventualy you will become musclebound and you movement will be restricted .. you eat too much you become fat ... you do too much ket you bladder gets shredded .... it's all relative.

true, but it just seems that without the guidance from the nanny state, the NHS or even paranoia of getting busted by the feds, too many people overdo any recreational drugs they can obtain.

I do have a lot of family connections with the NHS (how else do you think a IT/telecoms engineer who fixes machines and not people knows all this medical stuff ? ) and I've been researching the history of recreational drug use in Britain over the last 100 years.

the harsh facts are that people have been given over the years the chance to self regulate and have repeatedly fucked up. This is with every drug from alcohol to amfetamines, MDMA, ket and coke/heroin. Some of the illegal drugs were even once legal until recreational users brought things on top. You could get amfetamines and even some opiates at British pharmacies legally well until the 1970s.

10 years ago just after this site started I thought we were nearly reaching a time of enlightenment, and that in the next generation we would see a total change and the decriminalisation of drugs at least across the EU nations.

Sadly after seeing what happened when cannabis got decriminalised and what happened with ket (and as I have mentioned on a number of ocassions I was once a regular if not a compulsive user myself) I think we are now at least two generations away from this. (our one hope is surprisingly China, as the actions of youths in this nation can make an impact across the world).

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

true, but it just seems that without the guidance from the nanny state, the NHS or even paranoia of getting busted by the feds, too many people overdo any recreational drugs they can obtain.

I do have a lot of family connections with the NHS (how else do you think a IT/telecoms engineer who fixes machines and not people knows all this medical stuff ? ) and I've been researching the history of recreational drug use in Britain over the last 100 years.

the harsh facts are that people have been given over the years the chance to self regulate and have repeatedly fucked up. This is with every drug from alcohol to amfetamines, MDMA, ket and coke/heroin. Some of the illegal drugs were even once legal until recreational users brought things on top. You could get amfetamines and even some opiates at British pharmacies legally well until the 1970s.

10 years ago just after this site started I thought we were nearly reaching a time of enlightenment, and that in the next generation we would see a total change and the decriminalisation of drugs at least across the EU nations.

Sadly after seeing what happened when cannabis got decriminalised and what happened with ket (and as I have mentioned on a number of ocassions I was once a regular if not a compulsive user myself) I think we are now at least two generations away from this. (our one hope is surprisingly China, as the actions of youths in this nation can make an impact across the world).

see this is the problem .. it's more about the effects of drugs when over used that are bad ... and as you say people have a tendancy to get carried away with them selves and be greedy ... imo this sais more about people than drugs .. alltho i can't argue that some drugs aren't addictive as they blatently are .. i can argue that people need to be alot stronger willed. i also belive that if the wourld wasn't so fucked up for many people then the need for them to cain drugs in there mind wouldn't be as great .. and self regulation would be alot easyer

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by DontBeliveTheHype!

see this is the problem .. it's more about the effects of drugs when over used that are bad ... and as you say people have a tendancy to get carried away with them selves and be greedy ... imo this sais more about people than drugs .. alltho i can't argue that some drugs aren't addictive as they blatently are .. i can argue that people need to be alot stronger willed. i also belive that if the wourld wasn't so fucked up for many people then the need for them to cain drugs in there mind wouldn't be as great .. and self regulation would be alot easyer

yeah thats the main thing. I wish I understood enough Chinese to read whatever the equivalent of PV is out there (or that those citizens of China who occasionally post here would use their English skills to join our community rather than just spam stuff!) as they seem to be self-regulating a lot better than some Western nations!

Their govt, contrary to every other SE / Eastern Asian nation is actually becoming more lenient - given where many of the K addicts mentioned in this thread are from this is a significant development.

[DontBeliveTheHype!]

Originally posted by General Lighting

yeah thats the main thing. I wish I understood enough Chinese to read whatever the equivalent of PV is out there (or that those citizens of China who occasionally post here would use their English skills to join our community rather than just spam stuff!) as they seem to be self-regulating a lot better than some Western nations!

Their govt, contrary to every other SE / Eastern Asian nation is actually becoming more lenient - given where many of the K addicts mentioned in this thread are from this is a significant development.

and the thing is with drugs atm is if you have a seriose problem the help structure isn't there .. or if it is then people don't wish to seak it out as much as they would if they didn't have the fear of getting arrested and locked up for admiting they have done drugs .. even if the people wouldn't get arrested for it (as people dont generaly get arrested for seeking help) people still have hang ups about talking to people in a position to help them about there drug problems as it is still seen as a seriously bad thing to be on drugs and still carries a prisson centance.

[Yamaha1990]

There's such an underground feeling about it, it's like taboo to so many people and they get really unnerved when ya mention so if ya have a problem with it no-one wants to hear it and if they do ya know there just looking down on ya. Dooschbags...

Government lets it happen so freely but isn't there to pick up its own pieces...

[DIONYSUS]

i really do not get people that carry on taking k when they get those k-cramps. From what people have described it sounds like agony. If i knew something i was doing was causin myself that sort of pain i would fuck it right off. i hardly do pills/md anymore cause i get bad comedowns and can feel really down the next week. surely its easy saying no in that sort of situation?
Also how the fuck do people manage to get through 3g's+ of ket a day?! ive probably done it at a festival i should think at some point, but day in day out? surely they cant be holding down a job doing that? and if they havent got a job how can they afford it? i know its cheap, but still... its not like they could be dealing it either cause they'll have probably had it all themselves or be incapable of functioning in order to sell it. fucked up.

[CozMik]

Originally posted by djprocess

i really do not get people that carry on taking k when they get those k-cramps. From what people have described it sounds like agony. If i knew something i was doing was causin myself that sort of pain i would fuck it right off. i hardly do pills/md anymore cause i get bad comedowns and can feel really down the next week. surely its easy saying no in that sort of situation?
Also how the fuck do people manage to get through 3g's+ of ket a day?! ive probably done it at a festival i should think at some point, but day in day out? surely they cant be holding down a job doing that? and if they havent got a job how can they afford it? i know its cheap, but still... its not like they could be dealing it either cause they'll have probably had it all themselves or be incapable of functioning in order to sell it. fucked up.

ketamines pretty addictive mate. ive been suffering from k cramps the last couple of days (my first k cramp attacks ever) but because we get K in bulk amount up here, i keep sniffin. its a bit like if youve got a big bag of weed, or coke - your gonna stay high till its all gone arent u. its ridiculously addicitive! As far holdin down a job goes, i work shifts in a place where there are other k heads working there too, the tollerence builds up so you can still work at a good pace even though your a bit wobbly.