Ketamine: The Real Health Impact!

[Friction.TV]

If you want to hear someone speak quite frankly about ketamine, including personal experiences go and have a look at these videos...

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3343

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3345

These videos were made by a man named Dave Eggins who was recently featured in The Guardian talking about his own struggles with ketamine.

Very interesting and worth a watch!

[Digital-A]

Originally posted by Friction.TV

If you want to hear someone speak quite frankly about ketamine, including personal experiences go and have a look at these videos...

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3343

http://www.friction.tv/ftv_debate.php?debate_id=3345

These videos were made by a man named Dave Eggins who was recently featured in The Guardian talking about his own struggles with ketamine.

Very interesting and worth a watch!

I read his article in the newspaper and his case seems a very extreme one ... good viewing though ...

I found his article much better ... in his videos he just seems to ramble ...

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/...275257,00.html

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by Digital-A

I read his article in the newspaper and his case seems a very extreme one ... good viewing though ...

I found his article much better ... in his videos he just seems to ramble ...

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/...275257,00.html

Good article that. Although it is a bit of a scare story it still offers a balanced view and he's not screaming for tougher laws on it eithier...

[JonnyQuest]

i have major trouble finding the stuff round here and that certainly stops me getting adiiccted

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by JonnyQuest

i have major trouble finding the stuff round here and that certainly stops me getting adiiccted

ditto and when i do its really expensive compared to daan saaf.

[DJCliffy]

K is in abundance round here. I don't really like it now. ruins your buzz imo

[DIONYSUS]

Originally posted by DJCliffy

K is in abundance round here. I don't really like it now. ruins your buzz imo

link? ; )

[redneck]

dont know if this has been posted already
http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf

[Acidfairy]

Originally posted by redneck

dont know if this has been posted already
http://www.hkmj.org/article_pdfs/hkm0708p311.pdf

Yup it has.. here http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/s...1&postcount=16

on page 2 of this thread

[Benzo]

in abundance

K-hole

[redneck]

Originally posted by Acidfairy

Yup it has.. here http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/s...1&postcount=16

on page 2 of this thread

oops, wasnt paying attention

[starlaugh]

there are loads of studies that I have read regarding the damage caused by recreational Ketamine use... Cystitis caused by K is something they are worried about and also K-Cramps as they don't quite understand them or how to stop them

[padmakara]

Sorry for the double post, I just wanted to post here instead of the other thread, so:

Originally posted by padmakara

Personally, I wonder if the K cramps are caused by nor-ketamine moreso than ketamine itself.

The severe ones were dramatic, writhing pain on a level 9 or 10. I only received them three occasions when my blood level of K was high from constant (2-3g nasal/day) use and then hit a high dose of oral K (how high? anyone's guess... couple grams at least I don't really measure.) The cramps happened at exactly the 12 hour point post ingestion.... awakening me from sleep.

I'm happy to say that I rid myself of a virtually endless supply of the stuff because I was losing it after six months of daily usage, morning til night. I attempted to use it to control chronic pain. At first I always dosed oral cause I wanted the longest lasting effects possible. I'd carry a liter of water around spiked with it sippin on it all day. This lasted a couple weeks with no noticable side effects (actually felt better than I have in YEARS)... then some abdominal cramping developed, enough to make me switch to the nasal pathway.

Big mistake, as low dose K is far more addictive this way since you have to bump so often. After fooling around with using it once or twice daily for a few weeks, I kept noticing that the comedown would immediatly cause pain to come back that I was treating with the K... especially cause I would use the K as a crutch for any heavy lifting/hard work I had to do that I normally couldn't do cause of pain. Point being, I worked up to several grams a day.

I could hit 500mg and only get buzzed. Of course, my nose began bleeding so often this couldn't last long. So I got myself some needles.

Well damn, wouldn't you know, when your ass and thighs are so bruised from IM injections you can barely walk, and a good 800-1000mg dose it what it takes to feel 'normal' (not paranoid, thoughts racing, insanity feeling) you've got yourself a real problem. After missing and missing my veins (I kept going all the way through damn it) and injecting four full 1000mg syringes as fast as I can and snortin some to boot... I found myself just begging God for release. For anything, help me fight this demon. I resolved to flush my remainder in the ocean (an insult to the ocean yes but its power is certainly far more profound than K's is.)

End of the story 6 months later: At first I never craved it. I have started again recently. It greatly increased my daily paranoia level.... I've started taking 5-6 ativans daily since to cope with it. All physical changes seem gone, the burning while urinating, etc... except I think I have a diminished sense of smell (is it my imagination? my nose always seems so dry and stuffy now, not like before). Unfortunately, I do have access to it again and, well.... no... not yet. Today's not the day... not quite yet....

Originally posted by padmakara

Now, let us take this a bit farther. The pain I was treating with K was Dystonia pain... a different dystonia than the guy in the article cited earlier in the thread, but dystonia nonetheless. I developed this pain with a slow onset beginning shortly after binging on DXM several dozen times.

I'm not sayin its connected, but there it is for you folks. I never told any docs about my drug use.

Oh, and as to the subject of cuts, polyethylene glycol has been used in some instances.

[Milkyway]

Originally posted by SD

Nah thats just a dealer in a K hole lol

oh that made me laugh

[thedjcretin]

on a random one bout the subject of the wonk - i went to a club on the weekend and witnessed what i consider is the bad side of K (apart from health issues). I can see what people are saying when they ask - is K killing the club/party scene..? cause if the crowd had been filmed i swear anyone would say its a room full of special people. now i have always stood in wobbles favour and still do to a certain extent (like everything in moderation sort of thing...) but i couldn't help feelin a bit surprised that so many people were havin to be held up by like 3 other people and people were falling over everywhere, you may think i'm exaggerating but really - i go to loadsa partys of all types but this seemed a bit too messy for the start of a club night... its what you'd expect to see on the 3rd day of a mega party..
who knows, maybe i'm just jealous
it opened a little debate in my own head anyways! Basically i stand by the everything in moderation moto, even tho obviously everyones gone a bit too far once or twice or thrice.... !!

[cliffchuff]

wow been away time!

hello all from the distant and murky, been networking with some K professionals and though i copy a post I made on another forum here for info.

Hi all,

recently met a lovely lady from Bristol at the NX conference, been emailing her and a urologist following the Ketamine article in DDN the other month.

Got some references/papers and heres the lowdown.

Ketamine causes damage to the bladder and urinary tract, its an irritant (though as a dissociative you may not notice the pain or irritation while using)

general signs of problems present as urinary tract infections, if you are a ketamine user and have any sort of urinary problems get them checked, be aware the urologist may not have a clue, tests will show negative or sterile for infection thats because its not an infection its irritation!

antibiotics will not work, though while you are on them you might use less which can relieve symptoms.

damage to the bladder cause scarring or toughening of the bladder walls, this reduces elasticity meaning you need to pee more, some people have presented with bladders the size of a squash ball this can be treated in early stages by stretching the bladder and in later stages by transplanting tissue from elsewhere (the gut for example) if the bladder is full urine can back up to the kidneys; this is fucking painful please don't take more ketamine for the pain seek medical assistance and tell them you have used ketamine.

sings of problems can be frequent pissing (every ten minutes) painfull pissing, passing blood in the urine or signs of infection (be aware you might have an infection if you have been sexually active).

there have been seven papers on this globally in the last year, prior to this no interest medically as recreational Ketamine was under the radar but I know many peeps who had this sort of problem in the early 90's (self included) fuck laying in a bath of water just so I could relax and not stress about pissing razorblades every ten minutes.

If you have any sort of urinary problems please post or Pm me and I can put you in touch with a specialist.

Chuff

Ketamine-Associated Ulcerative Cystitis: A New Clinical Entity

Cystitis due to the use of ketamine as a recreational drug: a case report

The destruction of the lower urinary tract by ketamine abuse: a new syndrome?

Obstructive nephropathy and kidney injury associated with ketamine abuse

[JamZandwich]

i was hooked on ketamine..
its amazing how the bladder heals itself if you take a long healthy break from the stuff..

[JamZandwich]

Originally posted by cliffchuff

wow been away time!

hello all from the distant and murky, been networking with some K professionals and though i copy a post I made on another forum here for info.

Hi all,

recently met a lovely lady from Bristol at the NX conference, been emailing her and a urologist following the Ketamine article in DDN the other month.

Got some references/papers and heres the lowdown.

Ketamine causes damage to the bladder and urinary tract, its an irritant (though as a dissociative you may not notice the pain or irritation while using)

general signs of problems present as urinary tract infections, if you are a ketamine user and have any sort of urinary problems get them checked, be aware the urologist may not have a clue, tests will show negative or sterile for infection thats because its not an infection its irritation!

antibiotics will not work, though while you are on them you might use less which can relieve symptoms.

damage to the bladder cause scarring or toughening of the bladder walls, this reduces elasticity meaning you need to pee more, some people have presented with bladders the size of a squash ball this can be treated in early stages by stretching the bladder and in later stages by transplanting tissue from elsewhere (the gut for example) if the bladder is full urine can back up to the kidneys; this is fucking painful please don't take more ketamine for the pain seek medical assistance and tell them you have used ketamine.

sings of problems can be frequent pissing (every ten minutes) painfull pissing, passing blood in the urine or signs of infection (be aware you might have an infection if you have been sexually active).

there have been seven papers on this globally in the last year, prior to this no interest medically as recreational Ketamine was under the radar but I know many peeps who had this sort of problem in the early 90's (self included) fuck laying in a bath of water just so I could relax and not stress about pissing razorblades every ten minutes.

If you have any sort of urinary problems please post or Pm me and I can put you in touch with a specialist.

Chuff

Ketamine-Associated Ulcerative Cystitis: A New Clinical Entity

Cystitis due to the use of ketamine as a recreational drug: a case report

The destruction of the lower urinary tract by ketamine abuse: a new syndrome?

Obstructive nephropathy and kidney injury associated with ketamine abuse

thats some good links there ave a read

[CozMik]

how much K do you have to do to start getting these problems??

ive been taking it for about 2 years i have a very healthy diet and dont take half the amount of other drugs (ecstasy coke weed etc) as i used to do before i started doing ketamine. i rarely get on the piss these days! which is a huge improvement from what i was like as a teen trust me! i drink alot of cranberry juice wich according to my doc is a mirical for proventing/treating bladder problems, certainly works for me as i dont have ne bladder problems whatsoever so far.. could be the key to preventing this horrible pissing pain

[cliffchuff]

cranberry juice will only work on bladder infections not on inflimation

the amount that you would need to do damage will depend on how good yer water works are to start with, the length and volume of use, recovery time, as well as other factors such as alcohol, dehydration etc.

the research in brizzle is pretty conclusive long term use = problems.

by long term they are looking at six months + daily for six months = problems, if you are not using daily it will obviously take longer for the damage to show up!

if you are using large amounts it will happen sooner.


also worth noting this is just one way it damages the cells of the bladder and kidneys, it also fucks yer nose up as well as anything else it come into contact with.

take regualr breaks. look after yourself

[CozMik]

i go through fazes like one month i may consume 2 grams daily un till i start feeling rotton, then i take a break from it for a good month or twa till im as good as new to get onit again lol. wouldnt say i have noticed n e psychical damages from it as of yet, but my short term memory is as good as my 68 yr old grandmothers.. and i get the most bizzare fucking dreams it defintly does something to the subconcious.

[DIONYSUS]

dont cain it during the week, thats the worse, bit here and there at the weekend, but give your body a bit to recover even if it is only 5 days. Makes me want a line tho all this talk of k

[CozMik]

does the inflimation go away once youve not done n e K for a long time???

[CozMik]

i have no intention on giving up the k jus yet, so im seeking the best preventions for all the k related problems.
Home Remedies For Bladder Inflammation <--- Home remedies for bladder inflammation. my new weekly shopping list.

*~#~PeAcE~#~*

[GrassChopper]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Energy

i have no intention on giving up the k jus yet, so im seeking the best preventions for all the k related problems.
Home Remedies For Bladder Inflammation <--- Home remedies for bladder inflammation. my new weekly shopping list.

*~#~PeAcE~#~*

I just read all the stuff you have to eat and drink... And each one said the same;
"Take 1 completely RANK fruit/vegetable, make a juice out of it, drink the shit"

Apart from the last one which is "Drink a lot of water all day long."

But apart from that last one... All the same!