Subutex

Does anyone know where can I buy Subutex online?

What is it? Do they shrink you and attach your feet to a plastic base? :D

[Andy]

'Subutex (buprenorphine hydrochloride) and Suboxone tablets (buprenorphine hydrochloride and naloxone hydrochloride) is approved for the treatment of opiate dependence. Subutex and Suboxone treat opiate addiction by preventing symptoms of withdrawal from heroin and other opiates.'

Q&A on this substance

[globalloon]

TBH, i'd be surprised if there was any regularly available on the internet... it is very difficult to get it prescribed in the UK, and prescriptions are often stopped immediately if a clean urine/blood sample cannot be produced.

In France, however, you can go to a GP in any town with a reasonable number of heroin users and just ask for a scrip. It costs about £6 to see doc and under £1 per fairly large pill.

most opiate replacements that are sold on the black market move between addicts that know each other...they need money NOW, waiting for paypal (or even having a bank card) is not an option, so internet sales are unlikely. This is a carefully controlled drug. Shame that wasn't the case with Shipman's medicine cabinet:(

Go to a GP in France and get a scrip for Subutex but how easy is that?

Do you have to register with the GP or can you just walk in off the street so to speak? Is there a waiting list?

- (Iam desperate and the waiting list here is 6-8 weeks+)

[globalloon]

all GPs in France are private... that means you can just walk in... but you have to pay the doc for his time and pay for the 'scrip and pay for each individual tablet (about 2 euros each for subutex i believe)

this doesn't happen in every town or city... so you need to choose a town with a significant heroin problem... try Beziers? Marseille?

and a lot of doctors might still block you... so choose one who is likely to have a high number of herion addicts visiting their surgery and you'll stand a better chnace of getting the scrip you want

Subutex still ain't a wonder cure, but it's effects offer the best relief from withdrawl that I've heard of

and good luck

In France 8mg of subutex or buprenorphine costs only 3 or 4 EUROS on the street...

Originally posted by deep

does anyone know where can I buy subutex pills online?

No dont know were you can get um on line, but why not try your docter im on subutex and at first couldnt get anyone to prescribe but if you keep on to um and show um you do want to get clean then they will help. its worth a try, why do you want um on line?

[globalloon]

Originally posted by Unregistered

No dont know were you can get um on line, but why not try your docter im on subutex and at first couldnt get anyone to prescribe but if you keep on to um and show um you do want to get clean then they will help. its worth a try, why do you want um on line?

good effort mate... stick with it and good luck

i can see why people try other routes of getting sub tho... in lots of parts of the country there's a long waiting list and as I'm sure you know, sickness gets worse if left untreated

Originally posted by deep

Oi,
does anyone know where can I buy subutex pills online?

hello man.. have you found somwhere to by subutex online. or if you have a lot you mabe can send me as many you can.. greetings from a subutex addict in sweden.. peace and rave on

Originally posted by Unregistered

in france it cost for 8MG of subutex or buprenorphine 3 or 4 EUROS in the street only...

hello. can´t you buy an 100 subutex and send it to sweden/ thanks

I haven't found it anywhere online.This thing about buying it in France is possible.I even searched in Lisboa for it,but no use without prescription.I'm from Montenegro,Yugoslavia,and here that medicine isn't approved by our authorities.So if any one is in position to buy in France just let me know.

[General Lighting]

PLEASE BE CAREFUL - all of you.

you are discussing on an open messageboard potentially importing a controlled substance across national borders. you can't easily buy it online because people can get nicked (or you'd just hand over some euros to get a nasty letter from the customs authorities).

whilst its not as controlled as methadone (for instance in the UK it is class C like cannabis) penalties vary, and bringing stuff across borders is nearly always treated more seriously than even simple posession in one country.

cops and customs authorities may not believe you are "just trying to get off heroin" - to them you are strill a drug trafficking gang.

this board, like all message boards is open to all. cops also read here as well as ravers and drug users.

In some countries, the security forces also routinely any monitor net traffic which may relate to the dealing of drugs. This can be a lot easier than you think, in most EU countries the infrastructure for internet connections is still provided by the national telephone companies with strong links and alliegances to government.

I get the impression you are all after subutex to get well and have a better life and can understand why there is some desperation here, but please do not incriminate yourselves and get into further trouble!

Incidentally I found this whilst researching the substance - I don't understand much Swedish but it may be of use to the Swedish poster.

Måndag 28 juni 2004, 8.00

Subutex finns på svarta marknaden

Subutex är en modern variant av Metadon, som sedan tidigare används för att – strängt kontrollerat – behandla heroinmissbrukare. Nu sprids Subutex på den svarta marknaden i Göteborg. Många socialt fungerande personer står just nu i kö för att avgiftas från det heroinliknande läkemedlet. Det här är något vi länge varnat för, säger Karina Stein, vårdenhetschef för avgiftningsavdelning 605 och för metadonprogrammet i Göteborg. För Erik Blomstrand, stf chef för narkotikaroteln, kom det som en nyhet att det finns folk som går direkt på subutexmissbruk utan att först missbruka heroin. (Källa: Göteborgspostens nätupplaga, söndag 040627, ©Netdoktor.se)

Mer om information om hälsa från NetDoktor.se

as for deep, can you not register with a doctor in PT to get the prescription? Perhaps if more people start moving around EU for better or more appropriate treatment, then finally the health ministries may realise that some treatments should be harmonised! We are after all the same human beings whatever nation we are in.

Personally I think all EU-nations should instruct their health authorities to prescribe subutex as required, but unfortunately the politicians don't have courage to take this step :(

[cliffchuff]

a word of warning as an agonist subutex willkick off any opiates present from your neuro-receptors precipatingimmediate withdrawel a fucking killer cluck, make sure you are clucking before you take it to ensure you only get the positive effects, its a bout 50% of a heroin high and leaves you mentall/emotionally clear which for anyone using meth or gear to smother emotional stuff may not be fun.

[globalloon]

Originally posted by cliffchuff

a word of warning as an agonist subutex willkick off any opiates present from your neuro-receptors precipatingimmediate withdrawel a fucking killer cluck

source for that please?

most smack addicts i know use both subutex and H in the same day... subutex to help them through a long night, and H as per usual in the day

[cliffchuff]

I'm a drug worker and work with people prescribed subutex. and have had training in its use.

it is a partial agonist, if their are opiates in your system it will kick them off, sounds like your friends are already clucking mildly (the herion has stopped working) as heroin only stays active for a short time (up to 12 hours) herion taken at night will be out of the system by morning.
when titrating people we ask them not to use heroin for 12 hours prior.

if they try the same pattern ofuse with a dose of methadone (higher doses taking longer to loose effectiveness) they will get a fucking nasty surprise.

all this is of course dose dependant. with 16 ml of subutex giving about 90-95% blockage of other opoids and 8ml giving 50-65% lower doses have lower blocking effects this is why when it is first prescribed you start on 2 ml and work up to the required dose over a few days.

as a partial agonist subutex will stop other opiods working and make anyonetaking them sick(physically) again only if higher doses are used lower amounts will allow the corresponding amount of high by not covering all the opoid receptors in the brain.

methadone is a full agonist but gives no high, subutex gives a partial high, the company reps say 50% but they are selling the suff innit because of this it should also be 50% easier to come off or withdraw from...

[General Lighting]

I've heard the same stuff cliffchuff says from two lads who have just quit after a spell in HMP. Although they aren't professional drug workers they have far more experience of opiates then I have - it was got them to the stage they got sent down in the first place...

[globalloon]

Originally posted by cliffchuff

all this is of course dose dependant. with 16 ml of subutex giving about 90-95% blockage of other opoids and 8ml giving 50-65%
lower doses have lower blocking effects this is why when it is first prescribed you start on 2 ml and work up to the required dose over a few days.

that'll be why i was confused!

It's very hard to get a prescription around here, and even people with a hefty habit will only get prescribed maybe 4ml, and that'll be cut down rather than increased

it sounds like the docs don't know what they're doing in this area

(the only person I know who has successfully got and stayed clean went to a private clinic in London and was getting a much higher dose to quit H)

[cliffchuff]

obviously the pharm companies want us to prescribe as high as possible £$£$£ but a 16 ml will stop use on top while someone gets stable if they are given support during this time they will be reduced to 8 after a while and then randomly tested to see if they are using on top.(though it shouldn't matter if they are) there are doses of 2 ml, 1 ml and even lower like 0.4 ml which help slowly enable people to stop.

hope that helps...

the pharm comp say there is no overdose limit with subutex (unless mixed with benzo's alcohol or other downers) and Frence mortality rates seem to reflect this.

Originally posted by globalloon

source for that please?

most smack addicts i know use both subutex and H in the same day... subutex to help them through a long night, and H as per usual in the day

Thought subs didnt hit u after gear

Originally posted by buprenorphine

hello man.. have you found somwhere to by subutex online. or if you have a lot you mabe can send me as many you can.. greetings from a subutex addict in sweden.. peace and rave on

PRATT!!

[globalloon]

Måndag 28 juni 2004, 8.00

Subutex finns på svarta marknaden Subutex är en modern variant av Metadon, som sedan tidigare används för att – strängt kontrollerat – behandla heroinmissbrukare. Nu sprids Subutex på den svarta marknaden i Göteborg. Många socialt fungerande personer står just nu i kö för att avgiftas från det heroinliknande läkemedlet. Det här är något vi länge varnat för, säger Karina Stein, vårdenhetschef för avgiftningsavdelning 605 och för metadonprogrammet i Göteborg. För Erik Blomstrand, stf chef för narkotikaroteln, kom det som en nyhet att det finns folk som går direkt på subutexmissbruk utan att först missbruka heroin. (Källa: Göteborgspostens nätupplaga, söndag 040627, ©Netdoktor.se)

this article is saying that Subutex is available on the black market in Gotenburg, Sweden (a country with some of the harshest drug penalties in Europe)

according to the author, people who are functioning addicts (that is, who hold down jobs, relationships etc) are 'queueing up' for black market subutex... I'm not sure how or where they queue, but presumabley the black market pills are preferable to handing yourself into the police

Karina Stein is a holier than thou sort who informs the reader "we've warned people about this sort of thing [drugs] for a long time", while Erik Blomstrand makes the unfeasible claim that people who have never taken H may become addicted to it by trying black market subutex, in spite of medical evidence to the contrary

A typically conservative (with a small c) swedish viewpoint on drugs

my swedish partner's 22 year old sister was saying recently and was genuinely shocked that a bloke walking down the road could be smoking a spliff (he was walkin in front of us, the smell was gorgeous)

Originally posted by Jamie009

PRATT!!

why do you want it?its not fun!i just want off,anyone know how or what the long term side effects are?

[e_babes]

Originally posted by deep

Oi,
does anyone know where can I buy subutex pills online?

You can buy Subutex online. But all the sites I know only sell the 2mg tablet which is useless for pain/heroin/morphine detox -

I would prefer if you bought them off a mate personally if you know what they look like etc Only because you are importing a substance. The worst that could happen is you get a letter from Customs saying its been confiscated. Or they invite you to come and collect it - which is a dumb idea.

TBH - I often buy other things from the net such as valium to help with my addiction etc

[e_babes]

Originally posted by cliffchuff

I'm a drug worker and work with people prescribed subutex. and have had training in its use.

it is a partial agonist, if their are opiates in your system it will kick them off, sounds like your friends are already clucking mildly (the herion has stopped working) as heroin only stays active for a short time (up to 12 hours) herion taken at night will be out of the system by morning.
when titrating people we ask them not to use heroin for 12 hours prior.

if they try the same pattern ofuse with a dose of methadone (higher doses taking longer to loose effectiveness) they will get a fucking nasty surprise.

all this is of course dose dependant. with 16 ml of subutex giving about 90-95% blockage of other opoids and 8ml giving 50-65%
lower doses have lower blocking effects this is why when it is first prescribed you start on 2 ml and work up to the required dose over a few days.

as a partial agonist subutex will stop other opiods working and make anyonetaking them sick(physically) again only if higher doses are used lower amounts will allow the corresponding amount of high by not covering all the opoid receptors in the brain.

methadone is a full agonist but gives no high, subutex gives a partial high, the company reps say 50% but they are selling the suff innit because of this it should also be 50% easier to come off or withdraw from...

Is this the very same CliffChuff I got in touch with on another site?

e_babes

PS - very true what he's saying and what I know and experienced from Drug workers and Subutex itself I cant agree more.

Cliffchuff, as a question from my part, I was on 30mls of methodone and switched to Subutex. I was asked to stop using methodone for 36 hours prior to taking my first dose. You can imagine what "surprise" I got from a 8ml dose! Lets just say I was red raw from sitting in a scoulding hot bath for about an hour trying to warm up with constant gut rot and shivers and the shits to say the least.

I ended up using and using and using until I stopped being ill (which was only 2 hits on a ten pound joey and never went back (second time I tried Subutex this is). Some feedback for you - In my opinion I think that no one with a low pain tollerance like myself should switch to Methodone from subutex at such a high doseage. Something for you to take to work my friend. I dont know if your practice would allow such a switch at high doseage, but mine did. Totally regretful and made my situation worse. Also the "clarity" in my head and being use to the "dull" feeling from methodone was not great. I so wanted to be prescribed Valium but aparently this is dangerous for your heart on Subutex.

Being a depressive, someone who likes depressants to those who need further clarity, I enjoy my methodone, I enjoyed (past tense) my heroin and valium, my klonopins and other wonderful benzos.

Some treatment works for some, and not for others. It must be a tough choice to assist someone with - how you do it is beyond me. Being a potential patient of yours im sure I would have pissed someone off to the max. Your braver than most in your choice of work.

Elliot