Can You Beat Sniffer Dogs?

[glittertrauma]

Does anyone have experience of sniffer dogs or knowledge of how to beat them? How much can they actually smell or detect? Are there ways to prevent them from being effective? Under what circumstances are they ineffective (I've heard rain can be a problem for them)? What can they smell and what can't they? Can they only be trained to detect individual substances or can they detect a range of things? Is there a difference between illegal drugs / narcotics and contraband or explosives? What about hiding what ever you're trying to hide internally either in your privates or swallowed?

Any and all advice, stories and opinions would be welcomed...

Peace out! XxX

[Agent Subby]

If they start getting frisky when sniffing near your crutch, JUST LEG IT!

[Ellycat]

Originally posted by Agent Subby

If they start getting frisky when sniffing near your crutch, JUST LEG IT!

[globalloon]

depends on what you're carrying, but they can smell smoke on your clthes

[glittertrauma]

lol @ Ellycat, top class! ;)
Can they smell pils or MDMA? Other people with experience of festival sniffer dogs have said that they seem to be pretty random.I'm worried though!

[Angel]

Originally posted by glittertrauma

I'm worried though!

What can i say...Dont do it..

Read a couple of years ago about some guys tryed to smuggle cocain internally in 7 puppies..3 of them were dead when they were taken of the the plane..

Good luck

[General Lighting]

Drugs dogs are two kinds, active and passive.

They are always hound or retriever breeds (beagle, springer/cocker spaniel, labrador retriever), although sometimes mongrels from dogs' homes are used if they have the right intelligence and termperament.

Other normal police dogs are guard breeds (GSD/Rottweiller) They are known as GP (General Purpose) dogs or Tactical dogs - these are used by the Firearms unit and are taught to be less frightened of gunfire and not to grab at sticks, so they won't accidentally grab at an armed officer's carbine!)

When deployed by the Police both drugs dogs and GP dogs are often kept in the same dog unit van; which is why their roles are often confused (although there may be some GSD's which are used as sniffer dogs)

They are usually trained to recognise all kinds of recreational substances.

Active dogs are the ones which signal to their handler immediately when they have found something.

Passive dogs are sent into an area to locate and memorise key spots where drugs may have been used or distributed. They then at a later time (for instance after the venue has been closed) go back into the area and indicate to their handler where the drugs were (a bit like Lassie)

Most dogs used at festivals are active dogs, provided by private companies rather than the Police (there would not be enough dogs to sweep the area otherwise). I would expect they are suffering sensory overload in many cases; but usually they are deployed in such a way that "likely" people are "directed" (by a combination of various hairy-arsed security and cops) towards the dogs in an area with less distractions).

Legal festivals these days are full of CID and uniformed cops anyway;paid for by your ticket costs.

Incidentally black Labrador Retrievers which sometimes appear at stations are trained to sniff out explosives rather than drugs and come from the MOD rather than the Police - but are often deployed along with British Transport police3 drugs dogs.

[Mustard]

I got caught by a sniffer dog at Tottenham court road station a few years ago. It was called Oscar and was a active police dog. I could feel it poking it nose on the underside of my backpack. Not un-suprising seeing as I had a half bar on me. However while I was there they busted some guy who had a single tab of acid in a foil wrap, in a tobacco tin, at the bottom of his bag. I thought that was pretty impressive. They only use the dogs for a short period according to the guy that arrested me (it was a busy night so we had a bit of a chat while we were waiting in the cage, and custody suite, he was actually quite sound for a police officer) He said they run them for no more than a hour at a time, normally around 20 - 30 minutes. Its like a game to the dogs, like fetch.. after a while they get bored of it and aren't interested anymore, then they won't play.

I'm not sure if the operating time is due to the dogs, or just the number of arrests/space in the vans.. but they don't operate for that long.. They have a good sense of smell too, there were people caught with pills and trips when I got arrested, didn't see anything else.. but I would imagine if they can smell acid they aren't going to have any problems with posh etc.

I would love to know if they are trained to smell Research Chemicals like 2c-i at the moment, as things like that are only going to come more common in the future and I can't see the police keeping up with all the new chemicals around at least thats just something I think, no factual basis for it.

I hear there are trials of electric sniffer "dogs" which never tire and also indicate the type of drugs they smell... that stuff scares me... One of my friends was caught by dogs in the past with 1/8 of posh on him and a henry of green... He gave the police the green and they let him go, as the dogs only indicate you have come into contact with something, not what you have... With electric systems that wouldn't happen...

[globalloon]

acid is odourless, so whatever the dogs smelt on that guy with acid, it was something else he had been in contact with

[miss bassets]

wots the verdict on bringin a sample or two bk from the dam?

[Agent Subby]

If you're definitely going to do it (and that's your own choice) make sure you feel really possitive because any negative vibes will be seen by the authorites.

[globalloon]

Originally posted by miss bassets

wots the verdict on bringin a sample or two bk from the dam?

stupid idea

what's the point? you can get everything you can get in the dam here anyway

[raverbabyliz]

So.....saying you're queuing to get into a rave or a festival and you've got some illegal substances hidden away in your bra/underwear/wherever else you chose to hide them...

...and then a sniffer dogs smells it on you....

...what happens next?

I mean, is the officer/security guard within his rights to take you away for a strip search just because the dog sussed something???

[General Lighting]

Originally posted by raverbabyliz

So.....saying you're queuing to get into a rave or a festival and you've got some illegal substances hidden away in your bra/underwear/wherever else you chose to hide them...

...and then a sniffer dogs smells it on you....

...what happens next?

I mean, is the officer/security guard within his rights to take you away for a strip search just because the dog sussed something???

unfortunately yes, as drugs are illegal - the evidence of a dog is a good as the word of a cop..

all drugs arrests are initially on suspicion of posession rather than actual possession as to prove this the sample needs forensic analysis at the labs...

[miss bassets]

Originally posted by globalloon

stupid idea

what's the point? you can get everything you can get in the dam here anyway

fair comment which id usually agree with but atm moment its dry as fuck cant get owt let alone the shit thats in the dam

o n thanx agent il bare it in mind ;) xXx

[Mustard]

Originally posted by globalloon

acid is odourless, so whatever the dogs smelt on that guy with acid, it was something else he had been in contact with

Fair play, I was quite impressed at the time.. but it was in a tin, so I guess that could well have had some green in it recently or some shit.. Still dogs are pretty good, scared me enough never to carry anything on the underground again.. Buses/taxies all the way, when I have to trek round the city..

[General Lighting]

the electronic dogs certainly exist; they are some sort of portable mass spectrometer which means they can detect miniscule quantities of the substance and very accurately (anyone with greater knowledge is welcome to elaborate here!)

TVP and other forces have used them (they get free trials from the companies which make the gadgets); a couple of bobbies go round each popular night time venue and scan people - those who come up positive are only allowed entry to the venue on condition of being searched by the cops.

I think "ion-track" is one proprietary name of these devices.

they are not cheap (maybe as much as about 20 grand each!), but it is competitive with the full cost of training and keeping a standard dog - particularly as a machine never gets tired, nor needs feeding or walkies!

incidentally a lot of moosers are caught out by the passive dog; this is often sent through the venue without warning and loved-up gurners have been known to make a fuss of it and pat it!

[Dr Bunsen]

[elretardo87]

Originally posted by miss bassets

wots the verdict on bringin a sample or two bk from the dam?

post it....eth worst that can happen is that your package gets intercepted and you get a note telling you the police have intercepted a package.

[DaftFader]

Originally posted by globalloon

acid is odourless, so whatever the dogs smelt on that guy with acid, it was something else he had been in contact with

is it not just odorless in humans tho? as dogs have a better sence of smell than us by a long shot?

[starlaugh]

Originally posted by DaftFader

is it not just odorless in humans tho? as dogs have a better sence of smell than us by a long shot?

I guess dogs must have considering that they are using dogs to find buried kids at the moment..

[JulesDogg]

Originally posted by glittertrauma

Does anyone have experience of sniffer dogs or knowledge of how to beat them? How much can they actually smell or detect? Are there ways to prevent them from being effective? Under what circumstances are they ineffective (I've heard rain can be a problem for them)? What can they smell and what can't they? Can they only be trained to detect individual substances or can they detect a range of things? Is there a difference between illegal drugs / narcotics and contraband or explosives? What about hiding what ever you're trying to hide internally either in your privates or swallowed?

Any and all advice, stories and opinions would be welcomed...

Peace out! XxX

I went on a skiing holiday in Italy a few years ago. I took a bit of hash and smoked it on the chair lifts going up the mountain. Often I would need to nip it out and pop the unsmoked half joint in my wallet.

At he end of the stay I left Italy via Turin airport. At passport control the dog there was all over me. Two guys took me in a side room asked me a few questions and then let me get on my way. BTW, I had smoked all the hash before arriving at the airport so I was carrying.

Those doggies know a thing or two about illicit substances.

[JulesDogg]

Originally posted by miss bassets

wots the verdict on bringin a sample or two bk from the dam?

Be careful, kinder egg up the arse might do it.

[JulesDogg]

Originally posted by globalloon

stupid idea

Stupid idea? Maybe, it's a matter of personal choice. Cost/benefit analysis.

Originally posted by globalloon

what's the point? you can get everything you can get in the dam here anyway

The hash in the Dam is way better than in UK. Give me some Royal Dutch Hash over any UK hash anytime. Well better.

In the Dam you can learn what good hash really is. In the UK you could smoke hash for 10 years and know nothing about good hash.

I did bring back 10 x tabs of 2-CT-2 from the Dam a few years back. No problems encountered. Sadly it is illegal in the Dam now.

[party on]

watch barry coopers never get busted video theres a sniffer dogs section itll open your eyes wide to how good these dogs are .

on the video a dog sniffs out weed in a plastic tube in the petrol tank of a car

nothing you can do will mask or hide the smell from these dogs because there senses work differently than ours .

the video uses a pan of stew to illustrate how the dog finds the drugs

because a dogs sense of smell is different than ours

we smell a pan of stew !!!!

but the dog is different he smells all the ingredients separately so if weed is part of the ingredients he smells it and alerts the policeman

no point putting drugs where the sun dont shine either dogs can smell those to .............

party on